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12-04-2011 12:58 AM  5 years agoPost 81
MichiganFlyer

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I will agree to only one thing and that is heli setup. A FBL unit will compensate for a poorly setup heli to a point. Heli mechanics is a technical thing and is realy learned by flying a FB heli. The flybar is the Teacher. A finely setup FBL heli that can be flown in normal mode is when you gradute.
BTW I think I am in 2nd grade now.

I like my FBL 450 so much more than my FB 450 just because it reacts so much quicker to my inputs.

Friends don't encourage friends to fly helis! It can cause part shortages.

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12-04-2011 03:33 AM  5 years agoPost 82
Thatlumox

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That said...It's a freakin toy...How are you cheating?
How can you possibly cheat?
What is the prize?
Well, if you fly at a field with other people there is always some competition, no matter how slight. The prize is being able to fly better than the next guy.

"I'm a dirt torpedo!"

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12-04-2011 04:12 AM  5 years agoPost 83
MXRACERX43

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A pilot who can perform the same maneuver without e-stabilization versus with IS a better pilot though...worth some consideration.
Perhaps that's the challenge here.
Can't belive I am replying in a thread of this nature but....

This goes both ways. Piro moves with out a doubt are "easier" to make clean looking with a FB heli. The FBL heli WILL show any mistakes in inputs that th FB heli wont.

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12-04-2011 04:20 AM  5 years agoPost 84
heli-cuzz

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A pilot who can perform the same maneuver without e-stabilization versus with IS a better pilot though...worth some consideration.
Perhaps that's the challenge here.
Not saying I'm joe pro pilot here but I flew NOBAR for two + years and can do all the same maneuvers that I do with my 750 system. The fbl system just makes it as easy as pie, it also has made me a better overall pilot flying with the system.
Flying NOBAR for as long as I did definitely honed my skills to be sharp on the sticks at all times.
Ever since I started flying with the CGY750.
EVERY flight has been balls to the wall awesome!!!

FBL systems are not cheating. A fbl helicopter can and will crash as easy as a flybarred model.
As I posted earlier. The only cheating I have done was on my own heli flying my friends Raptor30 with a flybar. Was a test flight but still cheated nonetheless.

Fury 55 NIB Furion6 CGY750 fbl helicopter-Frenzy CGY750 fbl nitro-Frenzy fbl NOBAR90

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12-04-2011 04:54 AM  5 years agoPost 85
3dgimble

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I believe one should learn how to handle a FB before you jump onto a FBL, the rewards are much greater. FBL is a bit more easier to learn to hover on like VBAR or beastx, but one will need a person who has experience with helis to help. FBL just offers that stability after you get it in the air(no drift and very minor corrections.)FB helis require more skills. If a pilot already mastered his or her orientation it matters little, FBL or FB heli you fly. First hand account; just flew a 600 FBL and outrage 550 FB and during take off the FB requires a little chase but after she settles it is all the same to me between the two. Smacking them up is all the same, just need that power n speed.
Sooner or later FBL will really be cheating, one button bailout WHAT THE HECK!!, REALLY GPS!!! what the hell is the for in case your heli gets lost?

WHAT NEXT TOUCH ONE BUTTON AND INSTANT TIC TOCS?

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12-05-2011 10:32 AM  5 years agoPost 86
Richardmid1

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Personally I think flying flybarred is cheating because I find them easier to fly! ITS ALL ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE USED TO!

60% of the time, it works every time!

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12-05-2011 11:31 AM  5 years agoPost 87
halfcab

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I would not call FBL cheating, but it's a vary strong cruch.

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12-05-2011 06:57 PM  5 years agoPost 88
its-Smithy

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Of course it's cheating so is flying with both eyes open!!!

If you cant fly it, f**k it, eat it, or drink it I don't want to talk about it

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12-05-2011 11:44 PM  5 years agoPost 89
JasonJ

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In the eyes of the ill informed it's cheating. I have forgotten how many times some old timer airplane guy will ask me about fbl and proceed to assault me with 20 minutes of dialogue on how it makes flying helicopters easy. It's a tough thing to argue after I get done telling these same guys that the fbl unit in my little mcpx makes it fly like a larger more stable helicopter and then demonstrate it. What am I supposed to do at that point? Say "Well, it's different for the mcpx than the bigger helicopter"? I just end up telling them the fbl unit does the job of the flybar but is much more adjustable for your taste. Still, all they see is a gadget making helicopters easy. It is impossible to get past that regardless of the truth.

I don't have fbl on my Rappy, I don't see the point. For awhile I wanted to convert it but at this point I would like to just build a current fbl equipped model and use the rappy airframe for a scale build.

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12-06-2011 09:42 PM  5 years agoPost 90
Richardmid1

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Easier not easy.

A complete beginner would still crash a FBL heli 5 seconds after take off!

However during advanced manuevers a FBL heli requires less corrections on the sticks, therefore it is easier, therefore it is kind of cheating but only when compared to an identical flight with a flybarred heli. FBL and flybarred helis should be in different classes in 3D competition.

60% of the time, it works every time!

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12-06-2011 09:57 PM  5 years agoPost 91
GyroFreak

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If it's cheating, then I have become a cheater.

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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12-06-2011 10:00 PM  5 years agoPost 92
OICU812

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Different classes really? that makes no sense, especially then in say 3-5 years tops when there are no flybars, then what?

I think there are too many people who have not extensively tried,flown,owned both and had known perfect or near perfect setups on both to compare to be talking much.

As said and others have said again, do a piroflip on a FB heli, now do it on a FBL heli, the FBL will show your stir mistakes and calculations, so is that easier? I beg to differ on many points here.

Wind YES FBL helps and fak it I want it to, Hovering SURE but I dont care been a long time since just hovering.

The benifits outweigh the negatives, but to pound the drum like it takes out all ones skill or mind set needed on complex maneuvers is complete hor$e$hit and those people need to put some cake in the cakehole.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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12-06-2011 10:13 PM  5 years agoPost 93
Rockohaulic

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YES FBL is Cheating.

And Gyros are cheating.

And LiPo batteries are cheating.

And Anti-Lock Brakes is cheating.

And traction control is cheating.

And ground affects is cheating.

And keyless entry is cheating.

And GPS is cheating.

And cell phones are cheating.

And computers are cheating.

And the internet is cheating.

And crotchless panties is cheating.

And ATMs are cheating.

And IKEA is cheating.

And microwave ovens are cheating.

And frost-free freezers are cheating.

And hot running water is cheating.

And 100% cotton is cheating.

And indoor plumbing is cheating.

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.
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And fire is cheating.

And the wheel is cheating.

Saturday morning I flew my helicopter in my pajamas
How it got in my pajamas I'll never know

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12-06-2011 10:36 PM  5 years agoPost 94
Havoc

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You ever notice how defensive a cheater gets when accused of cheating? Don't mind me, just adding fuel. You cheating cheaters need to calm down. I do love my FBL systems. But I set mine to super non cheater mode. That's an upgrade.
As said and others have said again, do a piroflip on a FB heli, now do it on a FBL heli, the FBL will show your stir mistakes and calculations, so is that easier?
What kind of old busted FBL system are you using?

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12-06-2011 11:22 PM  5 years agoPost 95
OICU812

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Nothing old and busted friend it's heading hold, try yourself. A FB allows to float in a piroflip as it should how a FB works you can be sloppy, with fbl it will distinctly show more mistakes in the stir.

I don't cheat on women or helis I just get a new one.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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12-06-2011 11:57 PM  5 years agoPost 96
Havoc

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Nothing old and busted friend it's heading hold, try yourself. A FB allows to float in a piroflip as it should how a FB works you can be sloppy, with fbl it will distinctly show more mistakes in the stir.
It's the first thing I did when someone had me fly their FBL because at one time it was said to be an issue. But it was fine. It felt clunky at first on my own setup until I changed some settings and utilized flybar simulation.
FBL will show your stir mistakes and calculations
Hovering SURE but I dont care been a long time since just hovering
That may be your problem. Fly it, don't calculate. This is where you should spend more time hovering. In all orientations and pirouetting.

The only major adjustment I had at first was with things like slow hovering piros in wind where my attempts to make my usual corrections only made them look worse as it was getting added to what the FBL system was already doing. But I very clearly remember flying the same routine I did with my FB heli and telling the owner that this was cheating. But I did it with a smile on my face and had to get one.

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12-07-2011 12:02 AM  5 years agoPost 97
Carvo

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Yes!!

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12-07-2011 12:08 AM  5 years agoPost 98
OICU812

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I think I did my first hover 5 seasons ago havoc and my first vbar in 3.16 but thanks for deep insight dad, omg....

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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12-07-2011 12:16 AM  5 years agoPost 99
Havoc

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but thanks for deep insight dad
No problem son. Tell your mom I'm sorry I never called.

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12-07-2011 12:16 AM  5 years agoPost 100
MichiganFlyer

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If you can't go FBL you might as well put a mechanical gyro on your heli. lol Just kidding, maybe?

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