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12-02-2011 05:25 PM  5 years agoPost 41
blackbird

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I believe that after a crash with fbl the heli flies the same as before the crash.

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12-02-2011 06:21 PM  5 years agoPost 42
JLHarv

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Think back to when you first learned to hover. It was not easy and took a while to obtain that skill. Guess what, you still need that skill to fly a FBL heli.

A friend of mine is just learning to fly and doing pretty well on his mSR so I let him try my mCPx. He crashed with in seconds. So I say it is not cheating. It just makes the heli do exactly what you tell it to. If you point it to the ground, it will fly into the ground. It is nice that it compensates for wind etc, but cheating, nope, not in my book.

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12-02-2011 06:45 PM  5 years agoPost 43
Wave

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...its not cheating so much as it is a waste of time compared to a flybar.

Sure its stable...

Let me land just ONE more time to tweek something.

Flybar..Set it and forget it.

Ron Popeil again...some wisdom there folks.

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12-02-2011 07:48 PM  5 years agoPost 44
Jeff polisena

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I have to disagree ^ there is more setup on FB ,once you set up a FBL heli which takes about the same time on first set up as FB heli only after a crash FBL heli just needs parts not re set up.

I stole it ,flew it and gave it back ;)

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12-02-2011 08:14 PM  5 years agoPost 45
Wave

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FBL heli just needs parts not re set up
..and a new sensor after you spend half the summer avioding a full setup....and "tuning".

You know you have to replace a flybar just by looking at it.

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12-02-2011 08:14 PM  5 years agoPost 46
red_z06

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I can deal with FBL helis. However, the thought of 3G setup on airplanes make me sick. The art of torque rolling will no longer be a coveted maneuver. Because, a complete newbie off the street will buy a $50 model and do it on the first try.

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12-02-2011 08:19 PM  5 years agoPost 47
Wave

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However, the thought of 3G setup on airplanes make me sick.
The thought of said setup on a PLANK makes me happy, as the old farts at the local field need a reality check.

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12-02-2011 08:24 PM  5 years agoPost 48
red_z06

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Actually, it is all good. Just look at what was an amazing maneuver pre gyro days and compare that with today's piro tic-tocs.

I would imagine, everyone doing hovers with their airplanes will make it the norm. Which will force the pro maneuvers up another notch. So after all this time, we may begin to see some plank maneuver revolution.

Everybody!!! Put FBL and 3G gyros on your respetive birds.

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12-02-2011 09:22 PM  5 years agoPost 49
BobOD

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Of course with anything, you have to be able to afford the best if you desire the best. Not just financially but time, effort, desire...

It takes me a lot more time to tweak a flybared heli to fly the way I like than a FBL one but my method involves a bit more than a hex wrench and some loctite.

Anyway, once FBL gyros are completely plug and play and $80, the flybar will be gone. A shame really as the flybar setup is a beautifully simple, elegant design. But, it will never be made complex enough to rid the heli of unwanted interaction and constraints. And, more importantly, it will never be as profitable as the electronics.

Planks? I say lose the coveted maneuvers and forge ahead. Make the judges work harder to find the pilots that stand out. They'll just have to get a better pair of tri-focals. JK

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12-03-2011 01:14 AM  5 years agoPost 50
helismash

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I don't know if it's cheating or not but I like it.

Hey, Who put the ground there!
T-Rex 500/T-Rex 600N FBL/T-Rex 600E PRO/T-Rex 700N/T-Rex 700FBL

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12-03-2011 02:00 AM  5 years agoPost 51
flmgrip

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good points there...
I used to be an automatic-transmissions-are-for-wussies type back in my youth - I thought that and power steering, etc., were just cushions that made you a poorer driver.

Until I started flying full scale (planks) in the late 90's and realized that anything that reduces pilot workload in the cockpit (up to a point anyway) is actually a good thing and _doesn't_ make you a poorer pilot. There's a big safety advantage to things like autopilots for example - they allow you to rest while enroute to your destination. Then when you arrive, you're still fresh if you have to shoot a difficult approach (VFR as well as IFR).
Trike gear is another example. Tailwheel is a blast to fly, but for landing in a crosswind, I'd much rather be in a trike gear than a TW airplane.

Same thing with well balanced control surfaces, built-in dynamic stability, aileron spades, etc. These are worthwhile aids to the pilot in controlling the plane and don't detract from his/her skillset.

So, even though I haven't gone FBL yet on my helis, that's how I tend to think of it. We use HH tail gyros almost exclusively now for the same reason - they hugely reduce pilot workload on controlling the tail. At least in r/c, helis aren't a lot of fun to fly without assistance on the tail (full scale may be another matter, probably a lot easier there).

Those of us lagging behind are getting a lot of assistance on the cyclic from the flybar anyway. So there's no conceptual reason I can think of to object to simply switching to an electronic means of doing the same thing.

Meanwhile, I'm sticking to FB on both my 700's for the time being, mostly for financial reasons. Tho I'm probably going to go FBL on my electric first soon as the credit card recovers a bit more from the stuff I've already bought...

So no, it's not cheating, IMO....

LS


i can hover

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12-03-2011 02:07 AM  5 years agoPost 52
Wyorcflyer

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Of course FBL is cheating.

To absolve yourself of guilt, restore your moral balance and your integrity, you should send your FBL units, and FBL heads since you won't need those, to me??

Jack

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12-03-2011 05:25 AM  5 years agoPost 53
McKrackin

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Very much so. Take a vbar and put it in a plane. You can now do endless knife edge passes, hovering and torque rolls are easy as pie. The bottom line is FBL takes less skill and allows you to do more moves that maybe you couldn't correct your way though with out it. Cheating, yup, but I would never go back.
First off...PLANKER...It's a heli question.

That said...It's a freakin toy...How are you cheating?
How can you possibly cheat?
What is the prize?

It's a hobby numb nutz.lol...A game played solo.

Do you feel cheated by something I do 1000 miles away?
If I fly FBL,will your kids starve?
If I fly FB will your kids even know?

Grow up and realize you play with toys...Just like the rest of us.

Cheating? What is the rule on that anyway?

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12-03-2011 05:58 AM  5 years agoPost 54
BobOD

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The McKrackin stir...NICE!

Where's Rog...I'm surprised he hasn't been here.

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12-03-2011 06:03 AM  5 years agoPost 55
McKrackin

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Too much?

I seriously do think it's a stupid question.

I do not think the person who asks it is stupid nor do I think they're overly intelligent.

It is simply an over used question that has no answer.

If you think you're cheating,you are obviously in a game most of us never heard of.

Flying a heli is a personal hobby/skill...do it the way YOU enjoy.

I seriously don't care if you can even hover nose in.
I don't even care if you can hover.
Do you care if I can?
If not...how could either of us be cheating?

What I do care about is having fun with my hobby and I even care a little if you do as well....I don't care HOW you enjoy your hobbies but I hope you DO.

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12-03-2011 07:07 AM  5 years agoPost 56
iskoos

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McKrakin,

Out of all the answers I read in this thread, I found yours the to be the best. This question really doesn't have an answer. It all depends on how you look at it...

I am not against people putting their opinions here. I myself enjoyed and read all of them. It is fun to see how each individual looks at it. I feel that this thread will go for a while but it is not going to change the fact that there won't be a winning answer...

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12-03-2011 07:18 AM  5 years agoPost 57
3dgimble

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Calm down men, we are in a serious hobby. This hobby takes our mind off of the daily stresses, it also keeps lot of us out of trouble(with the wife)and we all know they are not toys look what happened to this guy;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAuh...feature=related

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12-03-2011 07:23 AM  5 years agoPost 58
McKrackin

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Please look up the word "Toy" in the dictionary and explain to us what part of the definition does not cover RC helis.

Should I post the definition?

Guns are toys to some.
Hot rods are toys.

Nowhere does it say that toys are safe.
Only that they are objects meant for enjoyment and serve no other purpose in your life.

Look at the picture shown in the dictionary representing toys.
It's an RC tank....Hmmmm....

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12-03-2011 07:28 AM  5 years agoPost 59
McKrackin

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....while a FB has the paddles and linkages to handle half the job of keeping the heli in the air.
That sounds to me like FB is cheating

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12-03-2011 03:39 PM  5 years agoPost 60
BrainDrain_dx

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alright McQuaken
I won't stand for being called a dirty planker
next time I see you, your getting kicked straight in the ding ding
watch your back...
or maybe I should say, watch your sack!

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Sponsored by my Visa

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