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12-02-2011 11:53 AM  5 years agoPost 21
Richardmid1

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All the top pros in the world are now fake for going fbl.
They have the time to tune them and the money to buy them or they get them given.

60% of the time, it works every time!

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12-02-2011 12:55 PM  5 years agoPost 22
relax1

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Improvement in technology always bring out the same questions. Buy the greatest set of golf clubs put it in the hands of a bad golfer and won’t make a bit of difference. The same goes for bad RC pilot with the greatest equipment. The fact is because of better airframes, electronics , engines etc. we are able to push the envelope further. We are seeing flying these days that was never thought possible and the best is yet to come.
Is flybarless cheating? Absolutely not.

Luis

I swear never to try that trick again! What the hell is only money!

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12-02-2011 01:06 PM  5 years agoPost 23
jsenicka

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mechanical rate gyros when there were previously none were cheating. Everything else is just refining the method

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12-02-2011 01:28 PM  5 years agoPost 24
Jeff polisena

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Not cheating just less mechanical , pilot still needs to setup correctly and still learn how to fly .
Less parts to replace and less re setup time

I stole it ,flew it and gave it back ;)

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12-02-2011 01:35 PM  5 years agoPost 25
rudyy

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I went to a recent one of the largest funfly in the east coast and I hardly saw any FB heli anymore. So, the fact is FB has become history.

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12-02-2011 01:41 PM  5 years agoPost 26
Havoc

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Man vs man: No everyone can use it.

Man Vs Machine: Yes. Or an admission we lost. But I, for one, welcome our new computer overlords.

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12-02-2011 01:59 PM  5 years agoPost 27
Ronald Thomas

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Not cheating and WAY more fun

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12-02-2011 02:15 PM  5 years agoPost 28
Eco8gator

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FBL is like CCPM to mfg's...cheaper to produce since there are less parts but charge the same

Electronics are much cheaper to produce since you only really need to make one type of electronics that is applicable to a whole range of products.

But most importantly, its definitely makes the heli more fun to fly...even in the wind.

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12-02-2011 02:18 PM  5 years agoPost 29
unclejane

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I used to be an automatic-transmissions-are-for-wussies type back in my youth - I thought that and power steering, etc., were just cushions that made you a poorer driver.

Until I started flying full scale (planks) in the late 90's and realized that anything that reduces pilot workload in the cockpit (up to a point anyway) is actually a good thing and _doesn't_ make you a poorer pilot. There's a big safety advantage to things like autopilots for example - they allow you to rest while enroute to your destination. Then when you arrive, you're still fresh if you have to shoot a difficult approach (VFR as well as IFR).
Trike gear is another example. Tailwheel is a blast to fly, but for landing in a crosswind, I'd much rather be in a trike gear than a TW airplane.

Same thing with well balanced control surfaces, built-in dynamic stability, aileron spades, etc. These are worthwhile aids to the pilot in controlling the plane and don't detract from his/her skillset.

So, even though I haven't gone FBL yet on my helis, that's how I tend to think of it. We use HH tail gyros almost exclusively now for the same reason - they hugely reduce pilot workload on controlling the tail. At least in r/c, helis aren't a lot of fun to fly without assistance on the tail (full scale may be another matter, probably a lot easier there).

Those of us lagging behind are getting a lot of assistance on the cyclic from the flybar anyway. So there's no conceptual reason I can think of to object to simply switching to an electronic means of doing the same thing.

Meanwhile, I'm sticking to FB on both my 700's for the time being, mostly for financial reasons. Tho I'm probably going to go FBL on my electric first soon as the credit card recovers a bit more from the stuff I've already bought...

So no, it's not cheating, IMO....

LS

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12-02-2011 02:24 PM  5 years agoPost 30
Thatlumox

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Cheating....well you still have to fly the heli as of now...., does it make things easier, I'll say yes. A lot of the little in flight corrections you don't have to do with a FBL especially in the wind. You don't have to try as hard to makes things look smooth.

I'm sure this same conversion was had about heading hold gyros when they came out.

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12-02-2011 02:28 PM  5 years agoPost 31
Qrrambero

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Is Viagra cheating?
does it make things easier, I'll say yes.

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12-02-2011 02:28 PM  5 years agoPost 32
unclejane

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>I'm sure this same conversion was had about heading hold gyros when they came out.<

Actually, yes, I personally do remember this. The first time I got into helis was in the late 80's/early 90's and HH gyros were just beginning to come out on the market.

There was lots of angst about them because it was felt they were too much assistance and would atrophy a pilot's skills with the tail. I had some cheap piezo rate mode gyro on my Shuttle and JRs, in fact I think I flew the shuttle without a gyro at all for a while before I got my first gyro.

When I did finally put a heading hold on it, it was a total revelation and completely changed how I flew it. Basically it was the difference between a fight to get round the pattern and do an auto and having a decently fun time.....

LS

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12-02-2011 02:36 PM  5 years agoPost 33
Big Edge

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Soon we'll just program the 3D flight, sit back and watch the show.

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12-02-2011 02:39 PM  5 years agoPost 34
GyroFreak

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Is Viagra cheating?

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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12-02-2011 02:51 PM  5 years agoPost 35
Havoc

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I'm sure RC will eventually be the realm of computer programming nerds and crashes will be the result of blue screens, syntax errors, or not agreeing to the terms and conditions of iTunes as it changes mid flight. Then we'll make fun of those old farts that think it's about moving sticks or some premitive input device like that.

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12-02-2011 03:33 PM  5 years agoPost 36
Wedge77

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Gyrofreak.. [quote]Is Viagra cheating? NO.. it is not! LOL

When fbl first came out I was thinking yes. it was cheating. However, after actually spending some time on one, I think it allows the learning curve to go way down. I guess the purpose is to make the heli FEEL like it has a fblybar right.. but it definately feels more then that. Not saying I had to re-learn to fly again, but it was definately a different beast. Easier.. yes positively, Yet at times I have to fly the heli more simply because with the fbl, Im returning it to center instead of the flybar trying to center the heli.

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12-02-2011 03:40 PM  5 years agoPost 37
Santiago P

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I'm sure RC will eventually be the realm of computer programming nerds and crashes will be the result of blue screens, syntax errors, or not agreeing to the terms and conditions of iTunes as it changes mid flight. Then we'll make fun of those old farts that think it's about moving sticks or some premitive input device like that.
When I 1st saw RC as a kid, before many of you were eggs (hehe) it was all about controlling the model with the sticks, (or keys )

When I started flying helis (no gyros) it was all about controlling the model with the sticks.

When digital radios came about it was still all about controlling the model with the sticks.

Now you have FBL we are still moving the sticks, and even more so if you have to hover in competition.
(some of you are saying hover? what is that? Is what make a helicopter, a helicopter)

Introduce more technology and computers, it all adds to the fun, AS LONG AS is about moving the sticks.

Let me get back to my coffee, on a stick.

Santiago

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12-02-2011 03:54 PM  5 years agoPost 38
Ronald Thomas

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On a stick.....Awesome

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12-02-2011 04:24 PM  5 years agoPost 39
AirWolfRC

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Of course it's cheating ! !

. . . and so is driving a car instead of riding a horse to work.

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12-02-2011 04:36 PM  5 years agoPost 40
Stephen Born

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I remember going to IRCHA 2011, and I brought my FB T-Rex 700e. A pilot asked me what I was flying today, so I opened my door and showed him my bird. He called out to one of his friends and said, " He is a flying a fly-bar 700e".

That is when I knew I had to go FBL. 99% of the pilots at IRCHA 2011 were FBL.

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