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12-03-2011 04:09 PM  5 years agoPost 61
WannaBe4D

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So what your spot in this fight you are coddling ? Your gay and want to get marred and can't or what? There are states that will allow you to marry to what's the big deal? I guess you can follow in syos footsteps and just call people names and cuss at them . Please explain your position and reasons for this fight. If giving ones opinion make you mad then find anotherform of interaction with the world or you will be sorely dissapointed with life
No, I'm a straight dude with a wife and a child.

The comment "I refuse to match wits with a dumbbell..." is referring to the fact that you are asking us to compare an article written out of opinion and speculation, to another article written by peer reviewed science. There is no logical basis for the argument and you will probably see no fault in this however, and it would be nonsensical to continue the argument. That's all.

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12-03-2011 04:55 PM  5 years agoPost 62
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There are states that will allow you to marry to what's the big deal?
Exactly, there was a couple here in tucson who went back east to get married a few weeks ago. Made the news! Reporter all google eyed over it, oh look how cute.

They have been able for a long time, but not many do.

This whole thing has nothing to do with gays actually getting married, its just another pointless tail waging the dog circus.

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12-03-2011 05:01 PM  5 years agoPost 63
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I'm still waiting for the peer reviewed science. The APA has taken it upon themselves to be the apologists for the Gay rights movement. These are the same folks who are calling it malpractice for a doctor to help someone who is gay and wants to go straight. The reference states that being in a relationship is better than being alone and I don't doubt that. The part about the children only states that those who are being raised by a gay couple are equivalent to those being raised by straight parents. The problem with the information is what's left out. The percentage of children of gay parents who end up in stable two parent homes is not given, and even the low percentage of those who do are not better off than in a straight home. What about the children who end up with a single parent or none at all? What happens to those is not even mentioned, nor is the criteria by which they determine the well being of the children . steve.

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12-03-2011 05:10 PM  5 years agoPost 64
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The part about the children only states that those who are being raised by a gay couple are equivalent to those being raised by straight parents. The problem with the information is what's left out. The percentage of children of gay parents who end up in stable two parent homes is not given, and even the low percentage of those who do are not better off than in a straight home. What about the children who end up with a single parent or none at all? What happens to those is not even mentioned, nor is the criteria by which they determine the well being of the children
Studies like those are usually done by our universities. Our university academia is notoriously progressive left.

So, those studies will always, always be incomplete and biased. Thats the nature of the progressive left.

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12-03-2011 05:26 PM  5 years agoPost 65
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I'm still waiting for the peer reviewed science. The APA has taken it upon themselves to be the apologists for the Gay rights movement. These are the same folks who are calling it malpractice for a doctor to help someone who is gay and wants to go straight.
The APA does put out a peer-review periodical journal. And I wasn't aware that they were considering malpractice for those wanting to "correct" homosexuality.
The problem with the information is what's left out. The percentage of children of gay parents who end up in stable two parent homes is not given, and even the low percentage of those who do are not better off than in a straight home. What about the children who end up with a single parent or none at all? What happens to those is not even mentioned, nor is the criteria by which they determine the well being of the children . steve.
The data that you are saying is excluded is not relative to the subject of the study.

One of your posts:
The reference makes claims and endorses a viewpoint w/o providing any evidence
I've provided an article that provides evidence. And now you've come at me with:
The problem with the information is what's left out
I have provided evidence to support my claim which again, is supported by professionals in a peer-review source.
I'll be happy to provide an answer as soon as you answer my question on evidence.
Your turn.

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12-03-2011 05:31 PM  5 years agoPost 66
WannaBe4D

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Studies like those are usually done by our universities. Our university academia is notoriously progressive left.

So, those studies will always, always be incomplete and biased. Thats the nature of the progressive left.
Instead of making wild accusations that this article is biased and "progressive left" because it might have been done at a university, you should know that the "APA's membership includes more than 152,000 researchers, educators, clinicians, consultants and students." Not just a bunch of leftist progressive punks trying to push an agenda

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12-03-2011 06:21 PM  5 years agoPost 67
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,,,

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12-03-2011 06:37 PM  5 years agoPost 68
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Instead of making wild accusations that this article is biased and "progressive left" because it might have been done at a university, you should know that the "APA's membership includes more than 152,000 researchers, educators, clinicians, consultants and students." Not just a bunch of leftist progressive punks trying to push an agenda
Well, lets break down what you just said.

Researchers

Yup, those are primarily university professors. Those are academia which are primarily the progressive left.

Educators

Those are academia which are primarily the progressive left.

Clinicians

Such as WHO?

Consultants

Such as WHO?

Students

Do those include the "Occupy" crowd?

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12-03-2011 06:59 PM  5 years agoPost 69
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Researchers

Yup, those are primarily university professors. Those are academia which are primarily the progressive left.
NASA Ames Research Center
National Center for Atmospheric Research
National Institute of Aerospace
National Institute of Mental Health
Argonne National Laboratory
Brookhaven National Laboratory
Los Alamos National Laboratory
Oak Ridge National Laboratory
Pacific Northwest National Laboratory

Major research institutes in the USA. None of which are associated with a university.
Educators

Those are academia which are primarily the progressive left.
I think you meant to say "In my opinion, those are academia which are primarily the progressive left."
Clinicians

Such as WHO?

Consultants

Such as WHO?

Students

Do those include the "Occupy" crowd?
You might be able to write them and get a name by name roster, but I'm sure you'll be able to dismiss all of them as "progressive leftists"

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12-03-2011 07:06 PM  5 years agoPost 70
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Researchers

Yup, those are primarily university professors. Those are academia which are primarily the progressive left.

Educators

Those are academia which are primarily the progressive left.
Dennis,

Without these two groups which you seem to despise (could be wrong there), you wouldn't be on a computer, connected to RR's web server over a network to make these claims.

Just saying that research and education isn't all that bad.

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12-03-2011 07:15 PM  5 years agoPost 71
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Without these two groups which you seem to despise (could be wrong there), you wouldn't be on a computer, connected to RR's web server over a network to make these claims.

Just saying that research and education isn't all that bad.
Correct. I am not saying science and research is all bad. In fact, both have served us all very well over the years and, I am sure, will continue to do so.

But, when they get involved in social issues like this, in my mind, they get very suspect and quite often their results are ideological rather than logical.

Just sayin

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12-03-2011 07:34 PM  5 years agoPost 72
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I see your point. Thanks!

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12-03-2011 07:47 PM  5 years agoPost 73
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Interesting

Watching the parallel re-write of a social / moral construct, then the acceptance of permissive linking.

Just like the permissive social construct of vacuuming a child from the womb of a expectant mother.

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12-03-2011 08:38 PM  5 years agoPost 74
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I see your point. Thanks!
Yo scolye

Even with pure scientific issues, and speaking for myself, these so called researched and studied issues become suspect.

There is no better example than the so called "Global Warming"/"Climate Change" crapola.

Every single time I read or hear that some study group or scientific group has "Determined" this and that, I ignore it. Simply because in a few years, most likely someone else will come out and "Determine" just the opposite. That really pisses me off as most, if not all the funds for these so called study groups or scientific groups are funded by the tax payers. Thats you and me.

Now, when it comes to science/research and tangible "Things", thats a whole different thing. No pun intended.

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12-03-2011 10:22 PM  5 years agoPost 75
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The comment "I refuse to match wits with a dumbbell..." is referring to the fact that you are asking us to compare an article written out of opinion and speculation, to another article written by peer reviewed science
I did say it was from a fellow scientist , my bad, i am looking for the original site I read this article on to find the scientist that was quoted there.

Now that still doesn't answer the question I asked you. You say you are strait and that's fine but what is your point in this thread? You've friends or family that is affected from this, just trying to see you side here.

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12-03-2011 10:40 PM  5 years agoPost 76
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Again, why all the hatred specifically towards gays? Why all the intolerance?

That's the point of the thread. I'm trying to find out why it's such a big deal to allow gays to be married. So far, the arguments are:

The world is hiding from God.
Paraphrased: "What benefit is it to society?"
Paraphrased: "Because their trying to redefine marriage."
Paraphrased: "If we let such unions happen...everyone will look for a "spouse" to pass their insurance and retirement benefits"

I was asked to provide evidence to support gay marriage, I have. Twice (the second has been completely ignored). And all I am asking for in return is that those opposed to gay marriage provide substance to their arguments I've outlined above (some of which still haven't been done). But it seems what most people really want to do is argue and speculate motives and dispute sources.

I'm over it.

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12-03-2011 10:57 PM  5 years agoPost 77
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Wanna:
You get to choose whether you LIVE IN THE LIGHT
of God's Love or in the darkness of disobeying His
Provisions.

It is that simple.

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12-03-2011 10:59 PM  5 years agoPost 78
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OH, you desire substance!

Here:

Romans 1
1 Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God— 2 the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures 3 regarding his Son, who as to his earthly life[a] was a descendant of David, 4 and who through the Spirit of holiness was appointed the Son of God in power by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord. 5 Through him we received grace and apostleship to call all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from[c] faith for his name’s sake. 6 And you also are among those Gentiles who are called to belong to Jesus Christ.

7 To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be his holy people:

Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

Paul’s Longing to Visit Rome

8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for all of you, because your faith is being reported all over the world. 9 God, whom I serve in my spirit in preaching the gospel of his Son, is my witness how constantly I remember you 10 in my prayers at all times; and I pray that now at last by God’s will the way may be opened for me to come to you.

11 I long to see you so that I may impart to you some spiritual gift to make you strong— 12 that is, that you and I may be mutually encouraged by each other’s faith. 13 I do not want you to be unaware, brothers and sisters,[d] that I planned many times to come to you (but have been prevented from doing so until now) in order that I might have a harvest among you, just as I have had among the other Gentiles.

14 I am obligated both to Greeks and non-Greeks, both to the wise and the foolish. 15 That is why I am so eager to preach the gospel also to you who are in Rome.

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile. 17 For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed—a righteousness that is by faith from first to last,[e] just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”[f]
God’s Wrath Against Sinful Humanity

18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind
, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

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12-03-2011 11:00 PM  5 years agoPost 79
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Don't give that God nonsense. You live inside a delusion. Don't ask me to do the same.

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12-03-2011 11:02 PM  5 years agoPost 80
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Again, why all the hatred specifically towards gays? Why all the intolerance?
For my part, it has nothing to do with intolerance. It has everything to do with changing the definition of marriage as between a man and a woman.

For gay movements to attempt that, they can be accused of their intolerance towards our traditions. It works both ways.
And all I am asking for in return is that those opposed to gay marriage provide substance to their arguments
I just did.

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