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12-01-2011 10:31 PM  5 years agoPost 1
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Senate backs military custody of terror suspects

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20.../D9RBVJBO0.html

my god do we live in Russia now they can arrest you with out charge and hold you for ever and its the u.s. military that can do it ! on u.s. soil .

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12-02-2011 01:10 AM  5 years agoPost 2
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Here is how you trample the United States Constitution:

Ya vote in a foreign born, african, illegal alien socialist
to lead ya...

You are so blind you lost the vision of Christianity
because most everyone is doing their own thing and
in effect "Hiding from God, our Creator."

So ya vote in a Muslim trained in the Islamic 'faith'
in Indonesia where he grew up.

Then not one congressman takes this trampling on because
of what would HAPPEN to his part of the pie!

This Country is Good because of the Love of one's fellow
man that a large portion of the populace exhibits because
of the Judeo-Christian tradition.

Without THAT we will fall...Watch, it's already happening.

I love gravity, it always keeps my feet planted when I fly!

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12-02-2011 03:16 AM  5 years agoPost 3
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Ya vote in a foreign born, african, illegal alien socialist
to lead ya...
For someone who posts a lot of religious posts helicopter, you sure come off sounding like a racist.

Why should his color have anything to do with it?

Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

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12-02-2011 03:29 AM  5 years agoPost 4
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I did not see anything in helicopter's post about skin color. Have you been to Africa? Thousands of white people live there too. I have some very good friends who immigrated here from South Africa and they are not black. Since you have brought this up, I have absolutely no issue with Obama's black half, it is the white, socialist, European half that I have a problem with.

It is not the color of a man's skin that defines that individual as idiots like barrack obama and Al Sharpton want you be believe. That is their mantra for trying to retain power, if you could change that lie they would be nothing. It is who they are in their heart, it is the thoughts and ideas that they generate with their brain and finally, it is what they choose to build with their hands that truly defines the individual.

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12-02-2011 05:05 AM  5 years agoPost 5
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Why are you so shocked, doc...

The government does what it wants to. Why??!! Because most of the people in this nation are so cluelessly apathtic! It's enough to make the people who do still care, sick to their stomach. Folks if we don't start standing up for our rights now, you won't have any to stand up for later. I know there are those out there that believe we should seperate church and state, but it sure seems funny that the more church we had in the state, the less we worried about our rights and those who tried to infringe on them. Remember when those that wanted to tear down America were from other countries? Sad to say but there is an older cartoon with a most fitting quote to sum this up "We have met the enemy... and he is us." Pogo

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12-02-2011 02:16 PM  5 years agoPost 6
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Ya vote in a foreign born, african, illegal alien socialist
to lead ya...
For someone who posts a lot of religious posts helicopter, you sure come off sounding like a racist.

Why should his color have anything to do with it?
African has nothing to do with color of skin.I believe he was referring to the place of birth and/or citizenship.....Who sounds racists now?

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12-02-2011 03:06 PM  5 years agoPost 7
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Wait a second, what really does Obama have to do with this legislation anyway?

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12-02-2011 03:14 PM  5 years agoPost 8
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For someone who posts a lot of religious posts helicopter, you sure come off sounding like a racist.

Why should his color have anything to do with it?
I am not so sure about his racist views. However I don't think his religious views gel very well with what he has posted here.....
Ya vote in a foreign born, african, illegal alien socialist
to lead ya...

You are so blind you lost the vision of Christianity
because most everyone is doing their own thing and
in effect "Hiding from God, our Creator."
On one hand, he seems to be condemning someone based on their political (albeit false accusation, imo) views as well as his ethnicity. As well he is blatantly lying about some thing.
But then on the other hand he is espousing God's love
This Country is Good because of the Love of one's fellow
man that a large portion of the populace exhibits because
of the Judeo-Christian tradition.
Doesn't the bible talk about love and understanding of your fellow man? Helicopter, no offense, but I am scared of so-called religious people like you. If this is how you believe the bible reads and how God's message is meant, there really isn't much hope for you. You kind of sound like a hippocrit.

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12-02-2011 03:46 PM  5 years agoPost 9
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Wait a second, what really does Obama have to do with this legislation anyway?
He is the President,when anything happens under his watch its has to do with him.

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12-02-2011 03:49 PM  5 years agoPost 10
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Sen. Feinstein

I really never believed I would agree with her on anything, but this does sound very much like the old Russian Gulags. We hold people forever w/o trial and if they don't cooperate to our satisfaction they get sent to Kazakhstan for torture. What's happened to our leaders? Have they lost their minds? In the name of counter-terrorism we now are resolving to terrorize our own people. I'm afraid the train has left the tracks and is heading for the cliff. steve.

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12-02-2011 04:57 PM  5 years agoPost 11
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"Those who would...

give up liberty(freedom)in trade for security, deserve neither."

T. Jefferson.

Tom

"You judge according to the flesh; I am not judging anyone."

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12-02-2011 05:59 PM  5 years agoPost 12
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Senate Ready to Legalize Sodomy and Bestiality in U.S. Military

Also included in the bill

"On Nov. 15, the Senate Armed Services Committee unanimously approved S. 1867, the National Defense Authorization Act, which includes a provision to repeal Article 125 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ)."

http://visiontoamerica.org/5989/sen...n-u-s-military/

http://www.facebook.com/groups/1029857 http://northern-indiana-modelers-association.synthasite.com/

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12-02-2011 06:12 PM  5 years agoPost 13
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Senate Ready to Legalize Sodomy and Bestiality in U.S. Military

Also included in the bill

"On Nov. 15, the Senate Armed Services Committee unanimously approved S. 1867, the National Defense Authorization Act, which includes a provision to repeal Article 125 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ)."

http://visiontoamerica.org/5989/sen...n-u-s-military/
I see leaving the bestiality thing in as a law. But the sodomy thing, different story. Ever had anal sex with a woman? Then you would be guilty of sodomy. Notice that article 125 says sex with the same or opposite sex.
“(a) Any person subject to this chapter who engages in unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty of sodomy. Penetration, however slight, is sufficient
to complete the offense.

(b) Any person found guilty of sodomy shall by punished as a court-martial may direct.”
Do we really need to be sticking our noses into someone's bedroom, asking them whether they are doing this or not? And let's put a hypothetical out there. You are in the military and are having sex with this chick. You piss her off, badly. She just happens to mention that you two were having anal sex to an MP, etc (you get the idea).....Don't think stuff like that happens? How many times have you heard of some guy getting arrested cause some chick cried rape or DV, although nothing happened at all? You two were having consensual sex, but because anal sex is illegal and she knows it, your career is over with a dishonorable discharge, ect.
Maximum punishment.

(1) By force and without consent. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for life without eligibility for parole.
(4) Other cases. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 5 years.
Really? Life without effing parole????? I have seen murderers get far less.
Even five years is stupid.

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12-02-2011 07:04 PM  5 years agoPost 14
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the Senate just voted the bill down.....for now.

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12-02-2011 07:10 PM  5 years agoPost 15
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This is the New U.S. drone that will be flying over the U.S. skies. It will be spreading fear in the population as part of the new s.1867 bill allowing sodomy and bestiality in the military. The new drone will be flown at low altitudes and have an audio message played that will be heard. The message will be "I will get you my pretty... and your little dog too"

http://www.facebook.com/groups/1029857 http://northern-indiana-modelers-association.synthasite.com/

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12-02-2011 07:14 PM  5 years agoPost 16
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and reported sitings of Pelosi on a broomstick will drastically increase...

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12-03-2011 03:47 PM  5 years agoPost 17
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^lol

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12-03-2011 03:49 PM  5 years agoPost 18
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i think for the first time in my life i am thinking about what to do if the u.s.a. would fail . and what i could do to make it thought it

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12-03-2011 06:22 PM  5 years agoPost 19
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Cited from here http://kevincraig.us/tempsec.htm

Benjamin Franklin (sometimes Thomas Jefferson) is often quoted as saying:
Those who would give up Essential Liberty
to purchase a little Temporary Safety,
deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

What is the opposite of "LIBERTY?" The answer is: SLAVERY.

What is the opposite of "SAFETY?" Some might answer: DANGER. But that's not the correct answer in this context. In the context of Ben Franklin and the American Revolution, the opposite of "SAFETY" is PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

Samuel Adams said the opposite of SAFETY is "the animating contest of freedom." And in certain situations, Sam Adams said the opposite of LIBERTY is WEALTH. Here is the quote from Sam Adams. "Tranquility" is what Franklin described as "temporary safety":

In a state of tranquillity, wealth, and luxury, our descendants would forget the arts of war* and the noble activity and zeal which made their ancestors invincible. Every art of corruption would be employed to loosen the bond of union which renders our resistance formidable. When the spirit of liberty, which now animates our hearts and gives success to our arms*, is extinct, our numbers will accelerate our ruin and render us easier victims to tyranny. If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude than the animating contest of freedom—go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!
* Note that Adams and the Founding Fathers believed they were engaged in a defensive war against tyranny.
America's Founding Fathers would say that Americans today are slaves. Wealthy slaves, but still slaves. Slaves that enjoy luxury and tranquility, but still slaves.

Sam Adams tossed tea into the Boston Harbor rather than be subjected to a tax of 3 pence per pound. How much tax do you pay on each gallon of gas you buy?

Why do you pay 20 times more in taxes than America's Founding Fathers? Because you think the government guarantees you "the good life." You have your own computer, central air conditioning, a DVD player in your SUV, and you think the government made all of this possible.

Most people think that if you have wealth, you have Liberty. There is an element of truth to this. But it is also one of the most dangerous myths of the century in which we live, as Sam Adams can help us see. We think of slaves as being poor, deprived of all wealth. Sam Adams will help us see that we now live in the century of wealthy slaves living in luxury.

China = U.S.A.

China is experiencing phenomenal economic growth. Many are becoming wealthy. The poor are becoming middle-class. In a few years, China may be more powerful and wealthier than the U.S.A. In what way would America's Founding Fathers say that secular America with its 60% tax rate is better than Communist China with its flourishing capitalism?

There is no longer any fundamental distinction between the U.S.A. and Communist China. Americans and the Chinese are both slaves in an atheistic dictatorship. The difference is quantity, not quality. The Chinese government may be a bit more enthusiastic about its atheism, and a little bolder in its dictatorship, but from the perspective of Ben Franklin, Sam Adams, and Patrick Henry, America is an atheistic dictatorship, and you are a slave.

Governments want you to believe they can give you wealth and safety. All you have to do is give up your liberty, and especially "the spirit of liberty," to quote Sam Adams.

But you don't really want "liberty" anyway, because that means personal responsibility. That means risk and uncertainty. Better to be a pampered slave.

What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!
Patrick Henry
Sacrificing Morality

Sacrificing "the spirit of liberty" and personal responsibility is un-American enough. But the price of "safety," "security," and a government-guarantee is the death of virtue and morality. To obtain a government guarantee of security, you have to give up your moral standards.

You would never use force or threats of violence to compel a customer to shop at your place of business. You would never steal, kill, kidnap, or defraud in order to get your HDTV. But if you're willing to have the government steal, kill, kidnap or defraud others in order for you to enjoy lower gas prices, or secure the trinkets of pop culture, then you are a slave. But the government calls it "security."

If you believe it's too "risky" to compete in a Free Market without government protection, subsidies, bailouts, and guarantees, you're a slave.

If you believe a government-guaranteed life is better than the "anarchy" of competition, and if you believe the government is going to guarantee your tranquility, your wealth, and your luxury, then you are a slave.

To paraphrase Patrick Henry's "Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death" Speech,

Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.
Is security so dear, or wealth so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

If you cannot stand competition,
if you are afraid to compete in "the animating contest of freedom,"
if you're willing to kill, steal, or in any way initiate force against another human being in order to obtain "tranquillity, wealth, and luxury,"
you are a SLAVE.
History of the Quote

This statement was used as a motto on the title page of An Historical Review of the Constitution and Government of Pennsylvania. (1759) which was attributed to Franklin in the edition of 1812, but in a letter of September 27, 1760 to David Hume, he states that he published this book and denies that he wrote it, other than a few remarks that were credited to the Pennsylvania Assembly, in which he served. The phrase itself was first used in a letter from that Assembly dated November 11, 1755 to the Governor of Pennsylvania. An article on the origins of this statement here includes a scan that indicates the original typography of the 1759 document, which uses an archaic form of "s": "Thoſe who would give up Essential Liberty to purchaſe a little Temporary Safety, deſerve neither Liberty nor Safety." Researchers now believe that a fellow diplomat by the name of Richard Jackson is the primary author of the book. With the information thus far available the issue of authorship of the statement is not yet definitely resolved, but the evidence indicates it was very likely Franklin, who in the Poor Richard's Almanack of 1738 is known to have written a similar proverb: "Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor Liberty to purchase power."

Many paraphrased variants derived from this saying have arisen and have usually been incorrectly attributed to Franklin:

"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
"Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither."
"He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security."
"He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither."
"People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both."
"If we restrict liberty to attain security we will lose them both."
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."
"He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither."
"Those who would trade in their freedom for their protection deserve neither."

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12-03-2011 08:51 PM  5 years agoPost 20
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People really need to do a little research before getting their panties in a bunch. Here is a link to the actual text of the sections that everybody is all up in arms over.

http://pastebin.com/qN51iztQ

Of particular interest is Section 1032(a)(2)

COVERED PERSONS.—The requirement in paragraph (1) shall apply to any person whose detention is authorized under section 1031 who is determined—
(A) to be a member of, or part of, al-Qaeda or an associated force that acts in coordination with or pursuant to the direction of al-Qaeda; AND [emphasis added]
(B) to have participated in the course of planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition partners.

And

(b) APPLICABILITY TO UNITED STATES CITIZENS AND LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—

(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States. [emphasis added]

(2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.

So where is the boogeyman everyone is so worried about?

Here's another interesting link.

Read it to the end before starting a flame war.

[url=http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/284698/rand-paul-libertarian-extremist-andrew-c-mccarthy?pg=1]

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