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11-29-2011 02:37 AM  5 years agoPost 1
Zaneman007

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This is a warning to all users of the 3Gx with the 9303 2.4ghz module.

IF YOU USE A 2.4GHz MODULE ON YOUR Tx DO NOT PURCHASE A 3Gx!!!!!!!

Background; I recently purchased a 3Gx, I couldn't get it to work using the satellites or the 9 channel Rx. I'm talking never made it off of the bench, and LHS guy wouldn't take it for an exchange. We are talking one day old, opened the box, but never left the bench.

Story: I call Assurance RC today. The first thing Tim asks is what radio do you have. I tell him the 9303. Then, he asks if I am using the 2.4ghz plug in module. I say, "yes." He says, "that could be the problem." He further states that the 3Gx has issues when used with the 2.4ghz plug in modules. This is regardless of wether you are using the satellites or an Rx. I tell him I bought this in good faith, and they have nothing stating that this doesn't work with 2.4 Ghz modules. He further states that they don't take anything back.

I have to say that I was a bit floored. This is nothing short of deceptive, and border line FRAUD in my opinion. They are taking peoples money knowing that there product will never work with your Tx.

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11-30-2011 12:24 AM  5 years agoPost 2
504Rone

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I would buy anything from that hobby shop again.

NO FLYBARS

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11-30-2011 01:16 AM  5 years agoPost 3
brandon113

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The satellites on the 3GX doesn't work with the 10x and a module ether. I ended buying a 11x ...kinda sucks.....but hey I love my 11x but I wish I had known this ahead of time....

Brandon.....

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11-30-2011 04:38 AM  5 years agoPost 4
Agilefalcon

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Technically, there isn't anything wrong with the 3GX - it just isn't compatible with an older radio that was upgraded with 2.4 gHz modules. That is a bummer and probably should be something that is disclosed by the manufacturer (Align). However, I'm not sure that this is anything to do with the hobby shop. They would not have known either and most won't take back electronic goods that have already been opened and used. The redress would need to come from the distributor.

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11-30-2011 05:02 AM  5 years agoPost 5
mhawk

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I see...But how many people are flying them with the older 2.4 gHz? radios myself included, And how many of them are having issues like this? It would be interesting to know. I am using a 10x and it was a pain to get the satellites to bind, no issues as of yet. I cant believe I am now just hearing about this

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11-30-2011 05:48 AM  5 years agoPost 6
brandon113

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Hmmmm my 10x would bind but the servos would go hard over.....my module is a very early one so maybe that's why.....

Brandon

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11-30-2011 05:57 AM  5 years agoPost 7
mhawk

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mine was very early as well. the 3gx did have a mind of its own sometimes with servo movements, kinda made me a bit uneasy, but few and far between...

mike

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12-01-2011 04:08 AM  5 years agoPost 8
mpafonseca

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There is a fix for that. I had the same issue. The solution is simple if you have other receivers with satelite ports. You have do bind the satellites on another receiver and then connect them to the 3GX. It is one step increase on the setup proccess but it works perfectly. I have been flying this setup for 6 months now. My radio is a JR10 thatI upgraded with a spektrum module. I used the AR7000 receiver that came with the module to bind the satellites.

Hope it helps...

p.s.: I still haven't figured out what is the difference between the original receiver and 3GX bind processes but it looks like a timeout problem... Maybe it is a easy fix for future software versions.. who knows...

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12-02-2011 03:53 AM  5 years agoPost 9
dkshema

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Zane and others...try this.

Bind your 9 channel RX to your transmitter as you normally would.

Plug the 3GX system into the receiver and servos as you should according to the 3GX manual.

BUT, for the cable that connects between the 3GX battery OUT port and the 9 channel RX battery IN port, use only a 2-wire cable -- Power and ground (middle wire, and outer ground wire -- usually brown in a JR/Spektrum cable, and black in a Futaba cable). REMOVE the third wire from the plug (orange for JR/Spek, White for Futaba -- this would be the signal wire in the three-wire harness).

I suspect everything will work just fine when you do this.

When used with an external receiver, the 3GX system has no idea if you're using an airmodule in an old transmitter, or a new "native" mode 2.4 GHz system.

That third wire in the 3GX Battery out to RX battery in port is most likely messing up your bound RX, because that third wire in the Spektrum battery in port is also used to put your RX in bind mode.

If you bind the RX to the TX normally, then use a two-wire power-only cable, I believe your 3GX system will work just fine with you older 9303 and airmodule.

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12-02-2011 04:02 AM  5 years agoPost 10
tomvuong74

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I recently bought a NIB JR 9503 DSMX

and I did tested 2 of my NIB 3gxs and found out it never get my servos move at all ??? Now I know for sure that because of the radio and the stupid align 3gX

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12-02-2011 04:43 AM  5 years agoPost 11
dkshema

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Tomv -- slow down.

The original post HERE is about an OLD -- 72 MHz 9303 radio used with a Spektrum transmitter module, NOT about a NEW 9503 native 2.4 GHz system like you have.

If the 3GX didn't work when you plugged it in, it's most likely because you did not hook it up correctly or didn't go through the setup sequence properly.

I just bought a couple of new 3GX systems, ran a few experiments, and figured out how to get it to run with older 72 MHZ PCM radio, something that in another thread here on RR was deemed impossible.

The 3GX is being used by a bunch of people out there with 9503 radios, and they're not having problems. Don't be too eager to blame the 3GX system. For starters, it's not completely obvious which way the battery plug goes into the 3GX box, nor how the battery out port plugs into the RX battery input port. Nothing's keyed, and it's easy to get one of those plugs backwards. You won't roast anything if that happens, the system just won't work.

Be smarter than the electronics. Sit down a figure out how to hook it up, how to set it up, and how to use it.

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12-02-2011 04:48 AM  5 years agoPost 12
dkshema

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Brandon...you said yours would bind, but the servos would go hard over. Did you stop to think that maybe your 3GX was set to run servos with 760 usec neutral pulses rather than the more common 1520 usec neutral pulse? That would cause all servos to go hard over, having the wrong neutral pulse width set into the 3GX controller.

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12-02-2011 05:47 AM  5 years agoPost 13
brandon113

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No I didn't think of that but when I bound the 3gx to my Spectrum 6xi it worked great and it works great with my new 11x. I didn't change the configuration of the 3gx between binding with the other radios.

The 11x is a great radio but I miss my 10x.....

Brandon

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12-10-2011 10:14 PM  5 years agoPost 14
Maxists The Baddist

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For me, this issue seems like it was with the remote receivers. I use a 2.4 X9303 with satellites I've had for more then a year. I initially used one old one to do setup and added the second old one when I was ready to start mounting stuff. Then, my second old receiver didn't work when hooked up. I would move the servos and lots of signal loss so I ordered a new receiver(DSM2). When I hooked up the new one all the problems about getting the 3Gx to turn on appeared. I setup my speed control with another receiver and finally got everything working OK. But, with the new receiver and after binding, once you pull out the bind plug it takes a couple of seconds for the 3Gx to turn on. I haven't gotten any further.

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12-12-2011 03:11 PM  5 years agoPost 15
coolice

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Brandon...you said yours would bind, but the servos would go hard over. Did you stop to think that maybe your 3GX was set to run servos with 760 usec neutral pulses rather than the more common 1520 usec neutral pulse? That would cause all servos to go hard over, having the wrong neutral pulse width set into the 3GX controller.
Hey buddy.

For future reference my friend the only servo channel output that can be selected to run 760 or 1520 pulse is the tail servo output from the gyro, no other 3GX channels can do this.

The problem is with the upgrade plug in spektrum modules only, while they bind to a sat equipped 3GX, they do not then control the 3GX properly. Quite why I do not know, as the technology is the same, but I recently tried a module in a JR10X binding it to my model and it doesn't work. The fix is to use a seperate receiver, which binds as usual to the modules ok.

Also a DX6i will bind but not be able to be used with a satellite equipped 3GX, as run this way gyro gain defaults to AUX2 which you cannot control using a 6 channel set.

A sentenance above has got me thinking though, will two sats bound to a transmitter using a seperate receiver then work ok once plugged into the 3GX? Im thinking not but it would be good to try.
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Ian Contessa
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12-12-2011 04:01 PM  5 years agoPost 16
mpafonseca

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Hello Ian,
Yes, the sats bound to a separate receiver and then connected to a 3GX work perfectly. I'm using it that way for some time without any issues in my helis (I use a JR10 with a Spektrum module). The only drawback is to have a spare receiver ready and having to unplug the 3GX, plug sats to the other receiver, Bind, unplug from the receiver and plug back to 3GX.... Adds some steps to the setup process... but works.
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Marco

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12-12-2011 05:08 PM  5 years agoPost 17
coolice

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Hello Ian,
Yes, the sats bound to a separate receiver and then connected to a 3GX work perfectly. I'm using it that way for some time without any issues in my helis (I use a JR10 with a Spektrum module). The only drawback is to have a spare receiver ready and having to unplug the 3GX, plug sats to the other receiver, Bind, unplug from the receiver and plug back to 3GX.... Adds some steps to the setup process... but works.
Cheers,
Marco
Hey Marco.

Brilliant, thanks for that buddy as it's something I didn't know.

I've recently sold my 3GX'd 450PRO to a friend, who also has my old 10X with a newly fitted Spektrum module. Hence why I knew the module binding to 3GX process didn't work.
As a test I am now going to have to bind the sats using his AR9000 receiver to the module, then plug them into the 3GX again.

So would you need to bind both sats at the same time, or can they be done individually if you had a spare receiver with only one satellite port?
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Ian Contessa
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12-12-2011 09:59 PM  5 years agoPost 18
Rafael23cc

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coolice
So would you need to bind both sats at the same time, or can they be done individually if you had a spare receiver with only one satellite port?
The binding of two separate receivers at different times is done quite often in Giant Scale plank applications. I am not saying that it will work here, but if it works for them, I do not know why it would not work in this situation.

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12-13-2011 01:09 AM  5 years agoPost 19
Zaneman007

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Update

I got the 3Gx unit back from Assurance RC. They informed me that there was nothing wrong with the module. So I gave it another shot. I tried to bind it, taking all of the methods above into consideration. No luck at all.

I finally bind it to a friends DX7, and it works perfectly.

WARNING:

THE 3GX WILL NOT BIND TO AN OLD 9303 WITH A 2.4GHZ PLUG IN MODULE.

ALIGN knows this. ASSURANCE KNOWS THIS.

I spoke with Tim from assurance again. He said that they don't take anything back even though they know that they sold it under false pretense. Isn't there a law against that!

He is going to have his supervisor call me tomorrow. We will see what happens.

I don't plan on eating this $$$$.

Old Guys Rule!

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12-13-2011 03:38 AM  5 years agoPost 20
mpafonseca

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Bind the two sats separately work too. I did my last setup using a AR7000 which accepts only one sat, so I did it, one at a time. After binding both sats, I plugged them to the 3GX and it is flying since then. Working perfect!!

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