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11-28-2011 05:23 PM  5 years agoPost 1
bxc53

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I was interested in trying FBL but didn't want to have a big investment in case I didn't care for it. My background is flying helis for many years but basically stuck at an intermediate level: Scale like flying with some loops, rolls, flips, etc, but no serious 3D.

I had a HK clone 500 with low $ servos, motor, esc, etc. I first flew it with the fly-bar to set it up and see how it flew- not too bad.
So I bought a 3G used here on RR for not much $ and ordered a RJX head.

The FBL conversion was easy and the basic setup went smooth. I have the 3.0 firmware on the 3G but no additional tweaks with the PC software manager.

Based on the horror stories I had read on line, I was basically expecting it to self destruct on the first flight, but,hey, it was an experiment..

What happened is that it picked up smoothly and was quite controllable in the initial hover. I did some trim tweaks to get it to hover hands off for a few seconds then went for forward flight. Not bad- smooth and pretty stable. There was some bobbling that tweaked out by lowering the pitch and roll gain at the control box pots. Small changes are best, the pots are sensitive. I went too far in the aileron and it got 'loose and squirrely' but came right back with a small gain increase. Same on the T/R- the usual gain tweaks brought it in and the tail is now good. Last was a bit of expo in the TX to match my flying style.

Now after maybe 30 flights it's still flying great and I really like the feel, comparing it to my stock FB Align 500.

Thinking it might be a fluke, I did the same FBL conversion to a really low $ 450 clone ( $30 kit!). Again with a RJX head and a used 3G- 3.0 sw. I guess I got lucky twice, because it's basically the same experience. I flies well and is much easier to control than my FB 450 heli, while still very responsive.

Anyway, my point is that I had pretty good luck with the 3G and discovered that I do like a FBL setup, so I'll try a 'good' system next ( Futaba or V-bar) on my 'good' Align 600.

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11-28-2011 05:42 PM  5 years agoPost 2
wrongler

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Just my personal opinion, I would go with the Mikado V-Bar

Bill Whittaker

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11-29-2011 03:34 AM  5 years agoPost 3
Twrecks600

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I've been flying the 3G since February and have had absolutely NO issues. Here is a flight I did back in August while I was breaking in some new packs. Nothing hardcore. Just easy as to not push the new pack too hard.

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheEvil...u/5/KZrWmdW-pG4

Team me

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11-30-2011 12:01 AM  5 years agoPost 4
Agilefalcon

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Mikado VBar is fine if you want to spend about $360+. ($319 for the gyro and ~$50 for the software upgrade).
The Beastx has been consistently good ($200_ and others have had good luck with the Futaba CGY750 ($319 with no paid software required). It is possible that the new Thundertiger ACE GT5 will turn out to be another low cost performer coming in at less than $200.

Chris Berardi
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11-30-2011 12:28 AM  5 years agoPost 5
MichiganFlyer

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I can say I had a similar experience with the 3G. With only a few months experience in R/C helis I installed FBL on my trex450 sport. I followed a setup video by Bert as mine was a used unit of here too.
After a couple setup flights I had it flying great. I am loving being FBL.

Friends don't encourage friends to fly helis! It can cause part shortages.

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11-30-2011 01:21 AM  5 years agoPost 6
brandon113

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Yeah me also no problems with my 3G on my 450pro. Actually having more problems dialing in my 3gx on my 600......

Brandon

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11-30-2011 06:32 AM  5 years agoPost 7
Sam2b

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I my experience helping a friend do the workbench setup, the computer software is horrible compared to the other flybarless unit/software I've used for 3 years now. But once it got in the air it seemed to do ok.

_Sam B_
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12-01-2011 06:22 PM  5 years agoPost 8
bxc53

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Sam2B:

Thanks for that info. The 3G software is the only one I've been exposed to. I did find it at least usable, if not real friendly..Once I discovered that hovering the mouse over a parameter popped up a balloon that more-or-less explained the adjustment, it went better..

BC

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12-01-2011 09:53 PM  5 years agoPost 9
Huey Gunship

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Hi I just purchased a Align 3G unit for my Huey Gunship I have built. I also built my own flybarless head that looks like a Huey but the tiny flybar does nothing. My question is I will be doing Zero 3D and my Zero pitch is set at Zero throttle. So how do you program the Align unit for that??? Because in the programming direction's everything is set at the zero pitch being mid throttle. Any ideas Thanks Ray

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12-01-2011 10:53 PM  5 years agoPost 10
bxc53

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Huey,

That should be no problem. I did something similar with my 500.

Just set up the 3G in your radio's Idle up 1 (or whatever you use) with a straight line pitch curve to whatever your positive pitch is and match that for the negative pitch ( like 11 deg pos and neg or whatever works on your Huey). The go to the normal mode on the radio and set the pitch and throttle curves to your specs.

One thought, when I was learning to hover, I had a zero pitch at the bottom to soften the hover landings, but once in forward flight, you may like a 2-4 deg negative at the bottom to help get it down.

Good luck!

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12-02-2011 02:53 AM  5 years agoPost 11
gmcullan

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I have Align 3G units installed on my T-Rex 450SA (Align 450 Sport FBL head) and T-Rex 450 Pro (Align 450 Pro FBL head). My flying style can best be described as "Old Fart Sport Flying". After initial setup and some slight parameter tweaking, both units have been reliable and trouble free.

My T-Rex 450SE V1 uses a BeastX and RJX head. It also has been trouble free.

Regardless of some opinions, you do not have to spend top dollar to have reasonable FBL performance that fits with a sport-type flying style. Hard core 3D might be one thing. But seriously, how many of us fly 3D. If the truth were told, I'm willing to bet that WAY more us us just putt around and have a great time doing it.

Gerry Cullan,
Gaui 200, 255; T-Rex 250, 450 SE & SA, Mini-Titan, Blade 450

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12-19-2011 01:07 AM  5 years agoPost 12
Huey Gunship

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Mason city IA

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I just installed the Align 3G unit in my Huey As I enter DIR mode the status light flashes red about 3 times then goes to solid green and all controls seem to work. Is this good to go??

Also the directions are not clear on the Gyro/Rudder setup do you have to power down and start over or do you just keep going after the swash setup?? Thanks

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12-19-2011 02:30 PM  5 years agoPost 13
highfly24

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This topic has built up my confidence about this system. I was starting to question it, because all I had heard was negative stuff about it. But one we get the software updated in ours to the 3.0 Firmware, it sounds like it should be fine. I'm new to FBL systems, and we're in the setup process on it. Any tips for setup?

Takeoff is optional, landing is mandatory

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12-19-2011 04:24 PM  5 years agoPost 14
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I'm still having pretty good luck with my two low dollar FBL ships.
The HK 500 ( T-Rex 500 clone) is working great with maybe 50 flights so far. For reference I use 3 TGY-930 cyclic servos from HK and a Futaba 9257 on the tail.

For the 450 clone, I used 3 DS 530's also from HK and an older Hitec HS56HB I had lying around for the tail. The 3G rudder setup does have parameters for analog or digital servos as well as the servo frame rate settings (1520 or 760) and travel limits settings. Be sure you get these right....I may have not had all three correct initially and the HS 56 is now flaky -sometimes it works, sometimes not- or it may have been getting funky before I installed it on the 450. In any case, I'm switching to the Align DS 420 on the tail.

I'd say that the Align instructions work fine, but you may need to read them through a couple times to better understand. I also started taking notes on the various settings for each heli, this makes the next setup easier if you need to after a crash or servo swap, etc..

The rudder set up can be done separately multiple times, if needed after the initial FBL parameters are set. The manual covers this but it's sort of in the fine print.

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12-20-2011 01:30 AM  5 years agoPost 15
Huey Gunship

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Is it OK to leave the tail servo hooked up during the Rudder/Gyro programming??? Thanks Ray

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12-20-2011 01:58 AM  5 years agoPost 16
MicroVan

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I've had issues when I first installed the 3G on my 500. Read just about every thread regarding the 3G and all pretty much said the 3G was junk. I came across the 3G mod thread on here and did the mod with liquid electrical tape and upgraded to the 3.0 software, voila! It holds solid as a champ!

I love this hobby!

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12-20-2011 05:42 PM  5 years agoPost 17
Huey Gunship

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Is it OK to leave the tail servo hooked up during the Rudder/Gyro programming??? Anyone.. Thanks Ray

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12-20-2011 05:44 PM  5 years agoPost 18
bxc53

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Huey,

Yes, it's actually nescessary to set the direction and limits..The manual does cover this....

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12-20-2011 07:36 PM  5 years agoPost 19
Huey Gunship

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That is not the question the question is it safe to leave the tail servo hooked up or plugged in while you are programming the Frame Rate and the digital/Analog settings.. Thanks Ray

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12-20-2011 07:39 PM  5 years agoPost 20
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Yes. Just be sure you know the frame rate and A or D for your servo, then you can do the settings in a couple seconds. It takes a while at the wrong settings to hurt the servo.

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