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10-29-2011 06:42 AM  6 years agoPost 1
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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if a pilot cannot hover on a sim should i dare let him hover a real heli ?

i have met a couple pilots that say they can hover a real heli
8 inches off the deck but they cannot hover on the sim when they get on a pc .

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10-29-2011 07:03 AM  6 years agoPost 2
OLROY

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How deep is his pockets? I flew before owning a sim and I can tell you it cost alot but I wanted to learn right away...dumb mistake on my part.

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10-29-2011 07:10 AM  6 years agoPost 3
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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but if a pilot cant hover on the sim should i believe him if he says he can hover ?

my new pilot has ordered a sim to but when his birds are ready i dont want to see him destroy them to fast.

my self i was afraid to hover a real heli before i learned how to do it on a sim first.

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10-29-2011 07:24 AM  6 years agoPost 4
gorn

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if he cant hover on the sim, then he cant hover full stop.
Ive seen many people who tell me they can fly well, and then when put to the test, crash on lift off , or cannot land without crashing.
This is not flying! lol

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10-29-2011 04:14 PM  6 years agoPost 5
helidevil

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WC:
absolutely not. i was dumb enough to let my friend convince me into doing exactly what you said in the post and he didnt even get off the ground and crashed. if they cant proove they can hover say sorry

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10-29-2011 04:21 PM  6 years agoPost 6
MichiganFlyer

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One word: "mCPx!" - the real life sim.
But I agree with everyone. If you can't hover on the sim there is no way you can do it for real.

Friends don't encourage friends to fly helis! It can cause part shortages.

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10-29-2011 04:25 PM  6 years agoPost 7
MicroVan

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The guy that got me loving this hobby insisted that I try to hover his concept 30 back when it first came out. Crashed before both skids lift off. Broke both blades and bent the main and feathering shafts and one of the blade grips.

I felt so bad but he insisted... I bought him new parts to replace the damage and a new kit for myself so I can learn, i was too scared to try so the kit sat around for 18 years which I sold last year for double the amount I paid for

I would not let someone try to hover or attempt to fly my heli's unless they have their own birds and I've seen them fly. It is a danger to the person and all around him.

I love this hobby!

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10-29-2011 04:27 PM  6 years agoPost 8
MicroVan

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I would let them fly my blade cx2 though

I love this hobby!

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10-29-2011 05:35 PM  6 years agoPost 9
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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wow

thanks guys ill take your advice
i figured if a guy cant hover on the sim he should not try the real deal.

beginner brought three 450s for me to repair and he has no sim lol
i ordered him a sim 2 days ago so after im done with his bird ill recommend learns how to hover on the sim before he trys to hover again.

when i am helping beginners thats the first thing i do is take them to the sim when they come over my house my back yard is big enough for a chicken dance disco but i hate to see grown men cry .

so from now on no exceptions if they cant hover on the sim
they cant hover here ill mentor /teach/train/ help them best i can
on the sim first

i let a good friend once who could not hover on my sim try to hover his brand new 450 hr told me he could hover but when he spooled up hi bird tipped over a bit a scratched the edge of his blades.

i felt so dang bad man my heart felt broke and i had no money or blades to replace them they were genuine align blades i felt horrible i almost thought he was gonna slap my face me and him both stopped the session .

thanks everyone for your good advice

reason the bird tipped over was because he had no expo on the cyclic.

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10-29-2011 06:10 PM  6 years agoPost 10
helixangle

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for what it's worth...

I never learned on a sim...

I bought a cx2 then went to a raptor 30 and in four months was doing stall turns and FFF figure eights, all without the aid of a sim, and 2 or 3 crashes in that four months.

No Buddy box, and No training gear

All of this was possible because I had the help of a local club.

Be sure the juice is worth the sqweeze
Remember life is hard...even harder for stupid people

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10-29-2011 06:23 PM  6 years agoPost 11
CX1

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I went from a cx1 to a hawk pro with out training gear and I did not crash for a long while.

so it can be done

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10-29-2011 06:38 PM  6 years agoPost 12
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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CX1
I went from a cx1 to a hawk pro with out training gear and I did not crash for a long while.

so it can be done
but i bet if i had you hover on my sim you would have past

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10-29-2011 06:49 PM  6 years agoPost 13
dkshema

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Prior to the introduction of RC simulators, or for that matter PCs to RUN them on, no one who learned to fly RC helicopters had the advantage of learning to hover on a sim. Therefore, no one ever figured these things out, or how to fly them.

At the same time, they did not HAVE computer radios with all sorts of pitch curves, throttle curves, dual-rates, and exponential. Gyros did NOT exist, either. Again, no one ever figured out how to fly an RC heli at that time.

NOT!

Many of us learned to fly on fixed-pitch, no-gyro, no fancy-radio, and no SIM time helis. It can be done, it just requires understanding basic concepts, determination, and a willingness to learn.

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There are many SIM pilots who cannot handle the "real" thing. There are many SIM pilots who can fly the pants off their PC, but hovering is beyond their grasp.

Being a "SIM hoverer" is no guarantee that the learning curve will be short, inexpensive, or productive. The fear of spending large sums on money on repairs can be a great deterrent to wild and crazy initial piloting behavior.

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Just because the pilot has never hovered on a sim, there is no reason to NOT "let" him try. After all, it's his machine and frankly, you can't STOP him. Once he takes his new found toy home, it's gonna be trotted out to the driveway and pounded into the ground a few times.

Strap on a set of training gear, explain the basics, and perhaps buddy box. Beyond that, be supportive.

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10-29-2011 07:07 PM  6 years agoPost 14
Stephen Born

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beginner brought three 450s for me to repair and he has no sim lol
That would be my first indication to buy one.

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10-29-2011 07:53 PM  6 years agoPost 15
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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Strap on a set of training gear, explain the basics, and perhaps buddy box. Beyond that, be supportive.
well said and will do of coarse
There are many SIM pilots who cannot handle the "real" thing. There are many SIM pilots who can fly the pants off their PC, but hovering is beyond their grasp.
id disagree but i respect your opinion.

if a pilot can fly the pants off a sim im sure he can hover or at least id have more faith in him.

and im sure guys crashed a many of helicopters when they did not have sims i can just imagine.

but yep slap on the training balls and let them try
the real deal is more stable then the sim when the bird has been setup nice

i am a guy who can fly my pants off on a sim some say i have broken real flight and phoneix i have done a few inverted hovers, flips and nose in flights

im determined to get my friends in the sky and i had forgot all about the good ol training balls
thank you i can get then started without a sim you are right

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10-30-2011 12:07 AM  6 years agoPost 16
Fauropitotto

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It depends really, I can do all sorts of stuff on my sim simply because I've set up my TX and Pheonix to feel exactly how I'd like it to feel.

When I jump onto someone else's sim with their TX, I look like a complete amateur.

I would never let someone else fly my heli (sim or not) unless they had some 50-100 cash for a crash. (crash kit + servo gears, etc)

Even the best pilots go down. Sometimes dumb thumbs, sometimes mechanical failure.

Use a buddy cable for the new pilots. Just in case.

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10-30-2011 12:35 AM  6 years agoPost 17
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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Use a buddy cable for the new pilots. Just in case.
good idea

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10-30-2011 05:15 AM  6 years agoPost 18
CX1

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(user error)buddy cable helped to cause a crash and have never used since.
the teacher better follow the stick movement to catch or else tx change may give bad input

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10-30-2011 05:29 AM  6 years agoPost 19
dkshema

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Buddy boxes are tools, you need to make sure all is set up properly BEFORE takeoff.

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10-30-2011 06:23 AM  6 years agoPost 20
MANCHA

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Cabo San Lucas, Baja- Mexico

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Buddy box is the real test !
If the rookie has natural skills they will shine right there and he will be an excellent student and could learn fast and w/o many crashes;
But if he does not get connected then a sim becomes a must.

I have thought many plank pilots in last 14 years and some heli pilots and; it is amazing how some of them had awesome natural skills !

I would not dare to assure a sim is a must, sorry.

MANCHA

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