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10-27-2011 05:20 PM  6 years agoPost 41
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14259356
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Same to you as well. This man was no more a Christian then you!

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10-27-2011 05:43 PM  6 years agoPost 42
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This man was no more a Christian then you!
Who said to me weak argument? This is WEAK compounded. In his mind he was a Christian, same as the Muslim extremist terrorists thinking they are true Muslims.

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10-27-2011 05:46 PM  6 years agoPost 43
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edited... figured it out.

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10-27-2011 08:38 PM  6 years agoPost 44
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Same to you as well. This man was no more a Christian then you!
He was a fundamental Christian who was paranoid about Muslims.

You are a fundamental Christian who is paranoid about Muslims.

I take it you don't know many Muslims, Thomas. Do you know any at all?

You will find that most people who actually know some Muslims aren't paranoid about Islam. The biggest country in the world where the majority of the population (around 99%) are Muslims, Turkey, doesn't have Sharia Law. Muslim does not necessarily = someone who wants Sharia Law. The vast majority of Muslims who move to the U.K. do so, because they like our way of life. If they wanted to live under Sharia Law, there are plenty of other countries they could choose to live in.

Take a look at the amount of Jewish terrorist attacks there have been in the U.S., for starters.

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/p...05#terror_05sum

The guy who flew his plane into the IRS building in the U.S. wasn't a Muslim. Timothy McVeigh was supported by Christian group, the Freemen of Montana. Then there's the Arayan Nations, the Church of Jesus Christ, The Sword, and The Arm of The Lord, members of which have been involved in murders and bombings in the U.S., according to your FBI.

http://vault.fbi.gov/Christian%20Id...1%20of%201/view

Why don't you hear about this on your mainstream media? Because Muslims are the bogeymen you have been given. Your government and their pals want you to believe that Muslims are your enemy, and you and many others have fallen for it, hook line and sinker.
Government-Generated Plots

By Andrew P. Napolitano

Recently by Andrew P. Napolitano: It Is Dangerous to Be Right When the Government Is Wrong

Does the government work for us or do we work for the government? Can the federal government take credit for saving us from a plot of its own creation? Tonight, has the federal government kept us safe or does it just want us to think that it has kept us safe?

Since the tragedy of 9/11, numerous crazies and low-level copy-cats have engaged in criminal behavior which they hoped would result in the deaths of innocent Americans and somehow advance the cause of jihad. If you ask the leadership of the FBI, most of whose field agents are tireless, dedicated, Constitution-supporting professionals, it will tell you that it has foiled about seventeen plots to kill Americans during the past ten years. What it will not tell you is that there have been twenty foiled plots; and of them, three were interrupted by members of the public. The seventeen that were interrupted by the feds were created by them.

http://lewrockwell.com/napolitano/napolitano26.1.html

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10-27-2011 08:49 PM  6 years agoPost 45
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Here's a Christian terrorist group called ''Concerned Christians'' who were deported from Israel for plotting violence in Jerusalem to bring about the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ.

http://www.cesnur.org/testi/Concerned.htm

Also, consider that some 10% of Palestinians are Christian, although Zionist propaganda sources like to paint them all as Muslims. Some of these Christians have also been responsible for terrorist attacks in Israel. No suicide bombings, although if you look up the history of terrorist attacks in Israel, you will find that suicide bombings didn't start until the '90s, after Israel conspired with the Muslim Brotherhood to create Hamas. The intent was to oppose Arafat and the peace process, which was what they did, at first.

http://disinter.wordpress.com/2010/...-created-hamas/

But like the mujahideen which was financed, armed and trained by the CIA, with U.K. etc support, who then became the Taliban and Al Qaeda etc, when you train a dog to be bad, you can expect it to bite you back someday.

Dusty

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10-27-2011 09:07 PM  6 years agoPost 46
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You will find that most people who actually know some Muslims aren't paranoid about Islam. The biggest country in the world where the majority of the population (around 99%) are Muslims, Turkey, doesn't have Sharia Law. Muslim does not necessarily = someone who wants Sharia Law. The vast majority of Muslims who move to the U.K. do so, because they like our way of life. If they wanted to live under Sharia Law, there are plenty of other countries they could choose to live in.
Thats true.

But, "Radical Muslims" were directly responsible for the single largest attack against the USA, on our own soil, in the US History.

THAT has consequences.

Same as the attack on Pearl Harbor did in WWII.

That the way it is.

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10-27-2011 09:26 PM  6 years agoPost 47
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Thats right Dennis,you cant just go around kicking folks not expecting a boot or two back.

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10-27-2011 11:33 PM  6 years agoPost 48
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Thats true.
At least we agree on something.
But, "Radical Muslims" were directly responsible for the single largest attack against the USA, on our own soil, in the US History.
THAT has consequences.
Of course it does. And one of the consequences caused by us invading and occupying Muslim countries, killing their civilians, then exploiting their natural resources, is that it turns more normal Muslims into radical Muslims.

It's a vicious circle. They are fighting our troops, and our civilians through terrorist attacks, while we are fighting an idea, a few ''militants'' and ''insurgents''and people who take up arms to defend their countries that we invade.
Same as the attack on Pearl Harbor did in WWII.
Indeed. But that was when nations declared war on us (although the U.K. declared war on Germany after they invaded Poland) and you would have faced an onslaught. We did face an onslaught. The best choice we could have made was to fight back, even though you targeted civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and we targeted civilians when we carpet bombed German cities.

We knew WW2 was over when the Germans and Japanese surrendered. There is no such authority that can surrender in this ''war on terror,'' so when will it end? The best chance we have of ending it is to stop attacking.

Around 3000 people died in the 9/11 attacks. More U.S. troops have been killed in Iraq alone, while almost one million civilians have been killed in Iraq, alone. That is several times the amount of civilians than were killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

The reason for the 9/11 attacks was clear, as stated by Al Qaeda, they objected to U.S. troops and airbases in Saudi Arabia, their most holy of holy lands. Your government handed those airbases over to the Saudi authorities not long after. That was their main complaint, besides other western influences in other ''holy lands''. Which of course, we have now made much worse by invading them.

Do you really think that it would have made all that much difference to the amount of Americans killed, had we not invaded Iraq and Afghanistan? The thousands of troops killed would still be alive, for starters. Bin Laden survived until relatively recently, yet there was never another 9/11 or anything like it. And it's not like you need terrorist training camps for a few folk to fly planes into buildings.

I don't see how the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan can be justified, unless you believe that normal Muslims want to take over the world. That's why your government and their pals have given you Muslims as your bogeyman, which of course fits right in with the beliefs of the large fundamentalist Christian community who believe in an eternal battle between good and evil - and of course, they are good.

Ron Paul is relevant here, as ever. I know you don't agree with this, although I don't remember you being specific about exactly what you don't agree with, but I'll post this video again for others who might not have seen it.

Watch at YouTube

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10-27-2011 11:44 PM  6 years agoPost 49
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Of course it does. And one of the consequences caused by us invading and occupying Muslim countries, killing their civilians, then exploiting their natural resources, is that it turns more normal Muslims into radical Muslims.
Exploiting their natural resources ?????

You must mean their oil.

Then, they are exploiting themselves if they offer their natural resources up for sale. I am not aware that anyone FORCES them to do that.

It's a vicious circle. They are fighting our troops, and our civilians through terrorist attacks, while we are fighting an idea, a few ''militants'' and ''insurgents''and people who take up arms to defend their countries that we invade.
Right. We are hunting down terrorists and killing them.

Sounds like a good thing to me.

The reason for the 9/11 attacks was clear, as stated by Al Qaeda, they objected to U.S. troops and airbases in Saudi Arabia, their most holy of holy lands.
Those bases would not be there if not for the permission of the king himself.

Get over yourself dusty.

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10-28-2011 12:27 AM  6 years agoPost 50
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Really dusty I mearly pointed out what is happening in the world today and you got to run off into a blame the US for all the worlds problems. A little off topic me thinks.

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10-28-2011 08:19 AM  6 years agoPost 51
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Then, they are exploiting themselves if they offer their natural resources up for sale. I am not aware that anyone FORCES them to do that.
Are we being naive here?

Of course when we go into these countries, we put our 'guy' in power. And guess what happens, we get preferential treatment (i.e. lower price of oil). We don't care that the rest of the country gets next to nothing, or about their human rights ... as long as we get the low price. So, NO ... we do not force them to sell anything, we just make sure we put the guy we like who will facilitate things for us.

Not sure if I can make it any simpler.

Bob

PS sometimes these 'guys' to turn against us, but that is another topic

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10-28-2011 09:17 AM  6 years agoPost 52
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(i.e. lower price of oil).
Aparently our "guy in power" is fickle. 45$ a barrel one day 135$ the next...

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10-28-2011 12:33 PM  6 years agoPost 53
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Who said to me weak argument? This is WEAK compounded. In his mind he was a Christian, same as the Muslim extremist terrorists thinking they are true Muslims.

I did. And I stand by it. I don't care if he was Christian. He couldn't be a true Cristian if he did this. And even if he was, that's ONE incident compared to how many incidents of Muslims blowing each other up EVERY DAY for decades. Again....weak comparison. There is no other religion that believes in killing all non-believers.....OTHER than Islam.
Point...set....match!!!

PS- born Lutheran, haven't attended church in almost 40 years, so I'm no bible thumper BTW. Full on heathen here....

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10-28-2011 01:03 PM  6 years agoPost 54
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Those bases would not be there if not for the permission of the king himself.

Get over yourself dusty.
but you see that's the messed up thing.

the King may well have given his permission, but who said he speaks for those who interpreted whatever religious edicts/practices in whatever messed up way they do?

there is no reference point so you'll get problems like this.

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10-28-2011 01:12 PM  6 years agoPost 55
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the King may well have given his permission, but who said he speaks for those who interpreted whatever religious edicts/practices in whatever messed up way they do?
The king of Saudi Arabia invited us there during the Gulf war when Iraq invaded Kuwait and was poised on the border between Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. No one knew oif Saddam intended to invade Saudi Arabia. The king invited us there to help protect them. It turns out that Saddam did make an attempt to invade Saudi Arabia. But, was turned back by coalition forces with overwhelming fire power twice.

BTW: It turns out that the Saudis and Americans got along very well and respected each others culture to the point that the king insisted we stay and help protect them at their own cost. To this day, they still do.

Read "Every Man A Tiger" by Tom Clancy. One of the very few non fiction books that Clancy published.

Your statement above makes no sense.

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10-28-2011 01:50 PM  6 years agoPost 56
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Tom Clancy?Would that be fiction or non fiction.

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10-28-2011 01:52 PM  6 years agoPost 57
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Tom Clancy?Would that be fiction or non fiction.
Read "Every Man A Tiger" by Tom Clancy. One of the very few non fiction books that Clancy published.

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10-28-2011 03:43 PM  6 years agoPost 58
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Your statement above makes no sense.
what part?

what you are saying just amounts to: "Listen, we got permission, so stop complaining".

you really think "Al Qaeda" thinks like that?

can I say it more simpler?

that's why I said this is a mess. From a "legal" perspective "Al Qaeda" has no right to be pi$$ed about it, just as much as their others claims regarding territory. But that's what these people are like, and your lot are no better.

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10-28-2011 03:58 PM  6 years agoPost 59
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what you are saying just amounts to: "Listen, we got permission, so stop complaining".
Correct
you really think "Al Qaeda" thinks like that?
Nope, they don't. They just wish to kill everyone that disagrees with them.

Do you really beleive the King of Saudi Arabia is going to ask "Al Qaeda" for their permission to have our bases on his soil?

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10-28-2011 04:37 PM  6 years agoPost 60
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Point...set....match!!!
Well then, if you believe that every Muslim is out to kill you because you are an infidel then you win! There is no sense in trying to have a reasonable exchange with someone blinded by bigotry and paranoia. To my UK friends and others around the world. The entire US doesn't behave this way, however I can confirm that all Christians dance with snakes.

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