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HelicopterRadio - Futaba FASST News  Anymore news on the 18MZ?
12-16-2011 05:26 PM  5 years agoPost 181
Carey Shurley

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JR or ATX will no doubt come out with a new model that provides all the bells and whistles the 18MZ offers.
well, they never came up with an equivalent for the 14mz

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12-16-2011 05:36 PM  5 years agoPost 182
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It's really all about marketing. They charge as much as they can. Most of the 14MZ's that I have seen were sponsored anyway. There is a real cost associated with developing a product for a very small market. I'll take that bet ! I'll bet the 18MZ never sees below $2500 USD.

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12-16-2011 05:41 PM  5 years agoPost 183
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12-16-2011 05:49 PM  5 years agoPost 184
rexxigpilot

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well, they never came up with an equivalent for the 14mz
Oh, I don't know about that. There were 3 people in my RC club who bought the 14MZ and later decided to get rid of it. They all had issues with the battery going dead too fast. One had problems with the touch screen and bad gimbals. Another sold his when the 8FG came out because he was convinced the faster speed / lower latency of the 8FG would improve his flying, not. I personally passed on the 14MZ in favor of the 12Z. My decision had nothing to do with price. I liked the size of the 12Z better and it has a much longer battery life.

One of the guys who sold his 14MZ went with a JR 12X. I thought this was a bad decision on his part until I built a helicopter for him and programmed it using his radio. It was very easy to program. However, its programming is not nearly as flexible as Futaba, so I would never buy one. He likes the 12X so much that he bought another just to use as a buddy box! Some have more money than brains I guess.

I'll wait one year after the 18MZ comes out to see if it has any issues that would dissatisfy me like with the 14MZ. Who knows, maybe I'll get it for a lot less money then too.

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12-16-2011 05:53 PM  5 years agoPost 185
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t's really all about marketing. They charge as much as they can. Most of the 14MZ's that I have seen were sponsored anyway. There is a real cost associated with developing a product for a very small market. I'll take that bet ! I'll bet the 18MZ never sees below $2500 USD.
That is the heart and soul of Capitalism, making a product and selling it for a profit. You always try to sell at the highest price the market will bear. It is the way our economic system works.

As far as most 14MZs being in the hands of "sponsored" pilots, well, that is not my experience. Right here in SOCAL I know of at least an even dozen that are in the hands of regular guys, in fact I know one fellow who has THREE of them!!. As far as "sponsored" goes you need to know that most all of Team Futaba buys what they fly. Sure, we get a discount, but trust me, it is not free or even close to it. So it is not like the guys with 14MZs and Futaba shirts got their stuff for free. Some do, but most don't. We do get free shirts however, which is nice.

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12-16-2011 05:55 PM  5 years agoPost 186
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I predict the 18MZ's $2,999 price tag will drop to between $1,750 and $1,999 within a year.
Futaba appears to have a policy of not lowering prices once a product is past its prime.
So are you saying that if the price doesn't go down in the first year it's not going to go down at all?

The price on the 14MZ's actually when up over time. I seriously doubt the price on the 18MZ will come down much at all.

  

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12-16-2011 06:01 PM  5 years agoPost 187
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t's really all about marketing. They charge as much as they can. Most of the 14MZ's that I have seen were sponsored anyway. There is a real cost associated with developing a product for a very small market. I'll take that bet ! I'll bet the 18MZ never sees below $2500 USD.
+1

Perhaps Futaba realized it's better to sell half as many radios for twice the profit than it is to sell twice as many radios for half the profit.

  

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12-16-2011 09:26 PM  5 years agoPost 188
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There are a lot of sponsored pilots that get roughly a hobby shop discount price - which costs Futaba nothing. Only the top 10 or so in each field get really free stuff. These are the US equivalent of Japanese factory pilots and are just part of the marketing budget.

All I was trying to say is that the dollar ain't what it used to be and you are lucky that Futaba prices haven't kept up with the dollar/yen ratio. They don't make millions of 14/18 MZ's and don't expect the price to drop like flat screens.

Futaba always introduces technology at the high end. In this case FASSTest telemetry. And then it trickles down. You can expect FASSTest TX's in the lower ranges in a year or two.

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12-16-2011 10:05 PM  5 years agoPost 189
Justin Stuart (passed)

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As a top of the line radio, they really need to incorporate some sort of force feedback into the gimbals. A Futaba 750 FBL controller has 3-axis accelerometers which could be used, and with the S-bus telemetry it would not be too hard to control little motors inside the gimbals such as to give the pilot some sensory perception of how much force is being applied to the control surfaces by the wind. Especially for those $10,000 jets.

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12-16-2011 10:35 PM  5 years agoPost 190
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I'm still wondering if we'll see a 16z in a year or so with 99% of the features of the 18mz sans the camera and color display for 1/2 the price of the 18MZ. Where did I see that before?

  

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12-17-2011 12:28 AM  5 years agoPost 191
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My prediction for the 16Z - $2000.

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12-17-2011 05:20 AM  5 years agoPost 192
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A Futaba 750 FBL controller has 3-axis accelerometers
i'm fairly certin the CGY 750 has no accelerometers in it, just the vibrating ring sensors that are known for there vibration rejecting capabilitys.

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12-18-2011 12:46 PM  5 years agoPost 193
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Well guys, the 18MZ is out in Japan
http://www.rc-funfun.com/item/displ...%dd%b4%d8%cf%a2

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12-18-2011 05:02 PM  5 years agoPost 194
Band1086

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226,800 Yen...a couple hundred thousand more than I can afford!

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12-18-2011 10:12 PM  5 years agoPost 195
Four Stroker

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Which is about our list price with a direct Yen to USD conversion.

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12-18-2011 10:25 PM  5 years agoPost 196
nap_tan

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Does that mean price will be adjusted if the dollar strengthens its value back to what it was a few years ago?

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12-19-2011 04:02 AM  5 years agoPost 197
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don't hold your breath...... lol

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12-19-2011 02:34 PM  5 years agoPost 198
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Hobbico confirmed that Futaba continues to produce parts for their equipment for 5 years after its declared end of life.

currently the oldest system they can still get new parts for is the 9C

So if a radio were considered end of life today, they would still make new parts until 2016 and of course the service depots could stockpile parts and service them well beyond that (they still have some parts for the 9Z radios)

As Steve pointed out the 14mz has NOT been discontinued and will be serviceable for a long time.

ever try to get that $500 smartphone you have fixed after a couple of years?

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12-19-2011 02:57 PM  5 years agoPost 199
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ever try to get that $500 smartphone you have fixed after a couple of years?
My two year old $500 Smartphone just died. I have a new one coming tomorrow shipped to my door as it was covered under insurance. Does Hobbico/Futaba offer insurance and a two business day replacement policy shipped to my door?

  

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12-19-2011 03:09 PM  5 years agoPost 200
Carey Shurley

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no of course not

but I suspect if you're willing to pay $30-60 every month to actually use the radio + a monthly insurance fee AND they can sell several million of them that may be practical.

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