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08-03-2011 05:22 PM  6 years agoPost 1
Dennis (RIP)

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Why Does America Welcome Immigrants?

Ericka Andersen August 3, 2011

Across the country, lawmakers are working to limit illegal immigration and reform policy so that more individuals can honorably and legally become American citizens. Last year’s notorious immigration battle in Arizona was met with hostility from pro-illegal immigration forces who misunderstood the Founders’ intent for a legal and meaningful naturalization process into America.

Now, the same kind of battle is heating up in Alabama. With an estimated 120,000 illegal immigrants (according to the Pew Hispanic Center), Alabama leaders felt the federal laws weren’t protecting the state adequately. Considering the population has increased fivefold what it was 10 years ago, one can sympathize.

Alabama’s new law is currently being met by a lawsuit from the Department of Justice (DOJ) but the case is unwarranted. As Heritage’s Matt Mayer writes:

The argument that state and local governments must incur enormous fiscal and societal costs, asserting that all aspects of immigration (legal or illegal) are entirely the purview of the federal government, is constitutionally suspect.

…Alabama’s new law is sweeping only in the sense that it encompasses many laws passed in other states in one bill (E-verify, voter identification, benefits, immigration status, etc.). Most of the provisions are consistent with positions upheld in court or not subject to legal challenges.”

The Declaration of Independence states that all men—not just all Americans—have a God-given right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That said, the task of the US government is to secure the rights of its own citizens—not mankind. The liberties and opportunities that the US affords its citizens are the main reason why so many people long to immigrate here. And because America is built on the idea of universal equality, all may become citizens in principle (not in practice of course).

The naturalization process isn’t automatic the minute one crosses over a country line, though. It requires education, dedication and commitment to the American way. Alexander Hamilton wrote that prospective immigrants should “learn the principles and imbibe the spirit of our government; and to admit of a philosophy at least, of their feeling a real interest in our affairs.”

http://blog.heritage.org/2011/08/03...=Morning%2BBell

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08-03-2011 05:40 PM  6 years agoPost 2
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"Last year’s notorious immigration battle in Arizona was met with hostility from pro-illegal immigration forces who misunderstood the Founders’ intent for a legal and meaningful naturalization process into America"

Could you please show me the position of the "pro-illegal immigration forces". That is to ask, what has been misunderstood by "them" in regard to the founding fathers intentions as they pertain to immigration.

For that matter, what is your interpretation of the founding fathers intentions in this matter?

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08-03-2011 05:48 PM  6 years agoPost 3
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Could you please show me the position of the "pro-illegal immigration forces"
The entire left and the part of the right that has no balls to do anything about the left.
For that matter, what is your interpretation of the founding fathers intentions in this matter?
Legal immigration.

Simple, ain't it.

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08-03-2011 06:08 PM  6 years agoPost 4
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Legal immigration.

Simple, ain't it.
+1

There, their and they're. It's really that simple.

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08-03-2011 06:37 PM  6 years agoPost 5
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As um.....usual.......a bit too simple. At least as stated.

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08-03-2011 06:40 PM  6 years agoPost 6
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Legal immigration is a long and expensive process. My wife is English and it cost about 10K for her and 5K for each of her 2 kids to get permanent resident status.

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08-03-2011 06:51 PM  6 years agoPost 7
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Legal immigration is a long and expensive process. My wife is English and it cost about 10K for her and 5K for each of her 2 kids to get permanent resident status.
Hmmmm. I think I paid about $800 total to become a permanent resident.

I'll pay another $680 for citizenship. I'll then have dual citizenship

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08-03-2011 06:59 PM  6 years agoPost 8
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As um.....usual.......a bit too simple. At least as stated.
Why make it complicated. The founding fathers believed in legal immigration and encouraged it.

We have a process to make that happen. It may not be perfect. It is what it is.

Why make it complicated?

Was there something else you expected to hear or see?

If so, enlighten us.

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08-03-2011 07:10 PM  6 years agoPost 9
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Yes I thought you might be able to offer a um....more in depth description of your interpretation of the founding fathers intentions in regard to immigration. Simply saying they were in favor of and encouraged legal immigration is not an answer to my question. Im sure that more information is available and I find it hard to believe our founding fathers gave it as little thought as your answer so far indicates.

I was simply wondering what were/are the misinterpreted intentions "they" labor under and what your understanding of the founding fathers position really was.

Simple

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08-03-2011 07:26 PM  6 years agoPost 10
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Im sure that more information is available and I find it hard to believe our founding fathers gave it as little thought as your answer so far indicates.
There is.

Its called the "US Constitution"
I was simply wondering what were/are the misinterpreted intentions "they" labor under and what your understanding of the founding fathers position really was.
The "US Constitution"

For the founding fathers interpretation of immigration, try reading it sometime.

Simple ain't it.

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08-03-2011 08:05 PM  6 years agoPost 11
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I can make it even simpler for you. The founding fathers and the lawmakers working for us citizens since have written it all down for you. It is called the law!
If you violate it there are punishments written into the same documents and you are guilty of doing something illegal!
In some countries they actually kill you for lesser violations than illegal entry.

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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08-03-2011 08:09 PM  6 years agoPost 12
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Yes I know the document well. That, of course, is the goto document. Not the only documents available to us. I guess I am not asking my questions clearly or you are just refusing to answer them.......

I am asking for your INTURPERTATION of 2 things. The misunderstandings of "them" AND your personal interpretation of the founding fathers intentions regarding immigration.

You are under no obligation to answer and if you dont want to just say so.

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08-03-2011 08:14 PM  6 years agoPost 13
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You are under no obligation to answer and if you dont want to just say so.
Already answered.

Not the only documents available to us.
Then you might consider searching the US criminal code for legal and illegal immigration.

For others to provide it for you might be asking a bit much.

Maybe you are searching for answers that are not there.

Beats me.

Unless you can be more specific, I'm stumped.

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08-03-2011 08:20 PM  6 years agoPost 14
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I can see this is pointless. I can not state my question more clearly. Its clear from reading some of your posts in the past that you are a smart enough guy to understand what is being asked. So I must assume for whatever reason you dont care to answer directly. Perhaps you have no measured, calculated interpretation regarding what I clearly asked. That would be a suprise to me but no big deal.

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08-03-2011 08:31 PM  6 years agoPost 15
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The misunderstandings of "them" AND your personal interpretation of the founding fathers intentions regarding immigration.
Well, I can give you an example of a "misunderstanding" of immigration laws.

That would be "sanctuary cities"

I just don't see that there can be a more glaring example. For details on that, you would have to search that out yourself.

The rest, perhaps you can re phrase your questions or, like you mentioned, it is rather pointless.

No offense intended of course.

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08-04-2011 03:44 AM  6 years agoPost 16
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I agree with the law on immigration. Can't be clearer than that.
As far as sanctuary cities goes it is the same as having a place set aside for drug dealers, rapists or any other criminal action. Just because you don't agree with the law it doesn't mean that you can't just ignore it.
Of course maybe we can set up a sanctuary city for rich people who don't want to pay federal taxes? That wouldn't be any different, would it?

I mean besides Washington DC!

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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08-04-2011 03:50 AM  6 years agoPost 17
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Of course maybe we can set up a sanctuary city for rich people who don't want to pay federal taxes? That wouldn't be any different, would it?
Rich people who don't want to pay taxes, and don't, get to pay it eventually, along with severe fines, or get prosecuted and go to jail.

Besides, if all the rich people had a "Sanctuary City" to go to, to avoid paying taxes, where do you think all the jobs would go to? How many more people in the rest of America would be unemployed?

Rich people in the USA are Americans to. Rich people in the USA hire other Americans.

Think about it.

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08-04-2011 04:14 AM  6 years agoPost 18
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Henrik when did you do the immigration? My wife came over 8 yrs ago my step son 4yrs ago and step daughter was last year. Had to submit this form and that form each with a several hundred dollar filing fee. Then the FBI background check and medical. It all adds up.

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08-04-2011 12:25 PM  6 years agoPost 19
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Dennis, I think that a sanctuary city set up to ignore the tax code makes every bit as much sense as the ones that ignore the immigration laws. That was the only point I was making.

Hell, maybe we should have santuary cities, counties, and states that are free from all federal laws by simply stating that they are sanctuary areas and don't believe in them.

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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08-04-2011 02:15 PM  6 years agoPost 20
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Henrik when did you do the immigration? My wife came over 8 yrs ago my step son 4yrs ago and step daughter was last year. Had to submit this form and that form each with a several hundred dollar filing fee. Then the FBI background check and medical. It all adds up.
I did mine in 2007. I had to do all the medical etc. but it sure did not cost 10K or 5K. They raised the fees right after I applied.

Immigration still treats me like dirt every time I enter the US on my green card, so it's time to get an American passport for just that reason.

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