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08-03-2011 03:43 PM  6 years agoPost 41
CX1

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what about the paddles? or the flybar cage or the bearings that hold it all together
Never broken any of these things!
then you are a very lucky guy

if you are afraid to try something new on a 600 then you need more sim time

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08-03-2011 03:49 PM  6 years agoPost 42
Richardmid1

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Sorry I tell a lie! I broke some head parts on my vision 50 Ultimate and SDX because they have plastic parts, every crash on any of my align helis has only resulted in a bent flybar and maybe a link or 2.

60% of the time, it works every time!

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08-03-2011 04:09 PM  6 years agoPost 43
Heli-on

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A 450 would have to hit you in exactly the right place for it to kill you. A larger heli can be off by a few centimeters and still get the job done. I just can't fathom people thinking a larger heli is okay for someone that's never flown. Look up the name Ron Kyle and ask him what he thinks. Oops, you're not going to be able to do that. So yeah, I will argue with you till you're blue in the face over it.

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08-03-2011 04:17 PM  6 years agoPost 44
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if you fear for your safety that much you should quit this hobby before someone gets hurt.

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08-03-2011 04:22 PM  6 years agoPost 45
hopetohover

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Agree with CX1. We all know the risks associated with this hobby, both the physical one, and the one to our bank account.

I think debating the risks is not without merit, but way off the thread topic...

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08-03-2011 04:34 PM  6 years agoPost 46
Heli-on

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Sorry Hope, didn't mean to stomp on your thread. I just think its important for people to know all sides of the issue. I think I'll stay in the hobby, thanks. That's a pretty ignorant statement CX1. I'm no longer a begineer and its not me you need to worry about.

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08-03-2011 04:36 PM  6 years agoPost 47
Jeff polisena

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I've been flying for over 15 years and have seen many different types of pilots and so far have never seen anyone get hit by heli or parts of one . Now planes are a different story

I stole it ,flew it and gave it back ;)

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08-03-2011 04:44 PM  6 years agoPost 48
Havoc

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Starting out with little electrics is only a fairly recent option and only very recently a somewhat practical one. I would say the vast majority of the forum started out of 30-50 size flying death machines. The OP has a sim and looking for a club. That's a safe and time honored approach. Starting out on a complete toy would be a waste of money in that case. Staying safe is a function of keeping your eye on the ball. It doesn't matter how much experience you have, failing that can cost you.

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08-03-2011 05:01 PM  6 years agoPost 49
hopetohover

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Agree with always staying safe... I had an old IP in the Air Force when I was learning to fly who always told me - "I'll never be cited for bravery in the air". He loved flying, but was the safest, most paranoid guy I ever met. Thank god for that - he instilled in me the same qualities. I think about him every time I taxi onto the runaway with a few hundred people sitting behind me...

No need to apologize on the safety comments guys, just wanted to make sure we didn't go down a rat hole. I'm flying on the SIM every chance I get. I'm truly awful, and my 5 yr old flew better his first time on it than I have after 3 weeks! I won't dare fly a real model until I know the bird is setup properly, and have someone to assist. Unfortunately, the local club, a mere 4 miles from my house is full of a bunch of pretty rude people... So much so, I have no desire to ever go back or join.

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08-03-2011 05:07 PM  6 years agoPost 50
HeliFisher

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Children, please...........

I started with a Blade400 and it worked out ok for me, but it ended up costing alot. It definately helped me become a decent heli mechanic in short order. I then bought a Logo400 w/FB. The quality and stability were outstanding, especially when compared to the Blade. But they ALL crash!!

I'm currently rebuilding the Logo and stretching it to swing 520-550mm blades. Parts cost for the Logo seems to be middle of the road for me when I compare to other helis. New side frames for the Logo will run less than $20. Not so if you are replacing carbon frames.

At the end of the day, helis are expensive and possibly dangerous toys! Honestly, I can barely afford to be in this hobby. IMO, smaller helis are good learning tools at a slightly lower cost than the larger helis, but if you can afford to go bigger, you won't be sorry you did. And wear out your sim PRACTICING! Not just playing a video game.

If your heli is heading twords you at a high rate of speed......DUCK!!

The less a man makes a clarative statement, the less likely he is to look like a fool in retrospect.

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08-03-2011 05:11 PM  6 years agoPost 51
Heli-on

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If your heli is heading twords you at a high rate of speed......DUCK!!
Doh, I didn't think anyone was watching. Then be all Pee Wee Herman about it, "I meant to do that".

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08-03-2011 05:14 PM  6 years agoPost 52
Havoc

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Unfortunately, the local club, a mere 4 miles from my house is full of a bunch of pretty rude people... So much so, I have no desire to ever go back or join.
You might try contacting a club officer or a heli pilot from the club to make contact first and then maybe giving them a second chance. There are a lot of weirdoes in this hobby. But you can have two entirely different impressions of a club by just going on two different days. Our club has a "Wednesday group" that is notorious far and wide as a group of miserable old farts and instigators. Anyone who shows up that day, especially with a heli, probably wouldn't come back. Same with some of our meeting days. But most weekends they should be able to have a lot of fun.

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08-03-2011 05:19 PM  6 years agoPost 53
GyroFreak

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I like Richards list. It is just about the way I learned on a Trex 450. Sure the guy is a little unstable compared to my 700 size, but it's like swinging three bats and then you get up to bat with one and it feels easy.
I repost Richards list because I think it is the way to go these days. And the fact I can step outside at work or home and start flying at any time.
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From Richardmid1
For a complete beginner ide recommend no larger than a 450. You want something that you can practice on in your garden/yard.

You just will not progress as fast starting with a 500 or larger heli here's why:

A. Unless you have a huge garden/yard you'll have to travel to a field to fly it.

B. Parts are much more expensive, exactly what you don't want when your learning!

C. Fear factor, both for safety and the cost of crashing, this will seriously hinder your learning curve.

D. People are talking rubbish when they say larger helis can handle wind better and are more stable, thats down to the setup.

Buy a belt drive 450 and wood blades and a stack of spares instead of the Logo 400.

And the thing is, once you have mastered the 450, upright and even some inverted you can jump straight to a 50/600 or 90/700!

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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08-03-2011 05:37 PM  6 years agoPost 54
CX1

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For a complete beginner ide recommend no larger than a 450. You want something that you can practice on in your garden/yard.

You just will not progress as fast starting with a 500 or larger heli here's why:

A. Unless you have a huge garden/yard you'll have to travel to a field to fly it. ( a field might closer than you think and would be safer than flying in an enclosed area )

B. Parts are much more expensive, exactly what you don't want when your learning! ( not necesarily depends on the kit)

C. Fear factor, both for safety and the cost of crashing, this will seriously hinder your learning curve. ( thats what the sim is for)

D. People are talking rubbish when they say larger helis can handle wind better and are more stable, thats down to the setup
( not true at all, A heavier machine is harder to be pushed around by wind)

hoping the OP gets usefull info.

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08-03-2011 06:44 PM  6 years agoPost 55
whiskey

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Larger heli's are definitely more stable in the wind!

I learned on two 450 rexes. They are a pain to work on and are bad in the wind. When I got a Trex 500, things got alot easier to work on and fly. That is the same size as the logo 400 and parts like frames are cheaper on the logo. If you already have a sim then I think it is a great choice. I would get a mcpx too.
Only because it crashes for free unless you fly over concrete.

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08-04-2011 10:39 AM  6 years agoPost 56
Richardmid1

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A. Unless you have a huge garden/yard you'll have to travel to a field to fly it. ( a field might closer than you think and would be safer than flying in an enclosed area )(only true for larger helis)

B. Parts are much more expensive, exactly what you don't want when your learning! ( not necesarily depends on the kit)(im thinking more about blade, canopy and battery costs)

C. Fear factor, both for safety and the cost of crashing, this will seriously hinder your learning curve. ( thats what the sim is for) (how many hoverers have you heard say "I can do it on the sim!"

D. People are talking rubbish when they say larger helis can handle wind better and are more stable, thats down to the setup
( not true at all, A heavier machine is harder to be pushed around by wind)(but there is more surface area for the wind to hit, especially the disk)

60% of the time, it works every time!

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08-04-2011 10:43 AM  6 years agoPost 57
Richardmid1

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I learned on two 450 rexes.
There you go! Im sure you learned lots about setup and flying for little cost.

60% of the time, it works every time!

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08-04-2011 01:26 PM  6 years agoPost 58
CX1

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I can't change your mind your obviously stuck in your way
I just hope no-one gets hurt following your advice.

A 450 in an enclosed area is risky to ones person and property
I learned on two 450 rexes. They are a pain to work on and are bad in the wind.
There you go! Im sure you learned lots about setup and flying for little cost.
why do you think it took 2 450's to learn?

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08-04-2011 01:35 PM  6 years agoPost 59
Richardmid1

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A 450 in an enclosed area is risky to ones person and property
I never said enclosed area, those were your words!
why do you think it took 2 450's to learn?
Because he could buy the 2 450's for less than the cost of a 600?

60% of the time, it works every time!

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08-04-2011 04:57 PM  6 years agoPost 60
CX1

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quote]A 450 in an enclosed area is risky to ones person and property

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I never said enclosed area, those were your words!
Unless you have a huge garden/yard you'll have to travel to a field to fly it.
so if I have a small yard it's ok to fly a 450 in it ?

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