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04-10-2011 08:12 PM  6 years agoPost 1
dannyh5

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I have purchased a second hand trex600n with a 3G flybarless system. I'm an average flyer, can do a little 3d who has owned a flybar 600n in the past. Went out flying today but didn't see any difference in flying with the 3G system except, I had more things to worry about, not moving the cyclic before take off ect. I am now thinking about selling the system and putting a flybar back on to make my flying a little more care free and possibly less expensive post crash. Would anyone like to give their opinion as I am about 50/50 on the idea. Please feel free to say going back is a stupid idea.

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04-10-2011 08:28 PM  6 years agoPost 2
BladeStrikes

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Have to try it yourself to see if you like it.I tried it and flew many other FBL heli's,I went back to flybar's..

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04-10-2011 08:32 PM  6 years agoPost 3
elmobad

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I love my FBL helis, got my new Avant FB running great, but.....it will be going FBL very very soon....

GOT FBL?

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04-10-2011 08:35 PM  6 years agoPost 4
es1co2bar3

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big different my friend i am a lover of the flybarles' but i found out the flybarles as faster head turn the control is not tight and precise
like the flybar,you get longer fly time and less wind effect here,it's not very stable more likely you need good control to keep fbl airborne

flybar what you put in is what youget out

BUT I AM GOING BACK TO FLYBAR,

reason look at these 2 video the flybar is a lot smoother and make tight maneuver" i am in control, The flybarles the cpu is in control and can screw you sometime'

The flybarless will work great on the bigger bird.

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I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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04-10-2011 09:13 PM  6 years agoPost 5
payne1967

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its like anything new you need to learn how to fly it
i have fb heli's, multi blade helis
and one fbl with electronics (this is for a scale project)
you do need to learn the different way of flying the fbl to fb, but once you've got the hang of it you'll be fine
if you feel its not for you then look on ebay/bmfa for a fb head
sell the fbl head and electronics

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04-10-2011 09:20 PM  6 years agoPost 6
gotnoclue

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give the fbl a go for a while, you can alway convert back if you find its not to your liking.

i dont think you will find too many people who agree with escobar on fbl not feeling connected and needing better skills to stay in the air, properly setup fbl systems will not do anything you dont tell them too, yes they can require some work to get them to your liking but you can make them fly however you want. not to mention they are incredibly stable, ive played with total g and now vbar and both will hover hands off for ages, you get bored waiting for it to move

my skill level of flying is average also but with the fbl system it actually gives you less things to worry about, the heli goes EXACTLY where you tell it too. its giving me confidence to try some new things for a change as ive not had the best luck the last year and my flying has not progressed like i wanted it to.

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04-10-2011 09:25 PM  6 years agoPost 7
Copter Doctor

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like so many things i have seen over the last 22 yrs of flying rc helis, flybarless heads appear to be a fad. (except for scale of course)
after flying both versions on a 3d machine, i personally wouldnt spend the extra $$ to convert a flybarred machine to flybarless.
as mentioned above, the trouble of setting up the stab system and learning its do's and dont's isnt worth it to me. i think most like it for the cool factor more than anything else. i have seen flybarred machines flown with total and extremely radical moves as a flybarred ship.
i am not a seasoned 3d pilot so i may still be missing some advantages the fbl systems offer over a flybarred head. if so, edumacate me

drive a rotary, fly a rotorcraft

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04-10-2011 09:26 PM  6 years agoPost 8
heli-cuzz

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If you ask me... I say go NOBAR or go home!!!!

Fury 55 NIB Furion6 CGY750 fbl helicopter-Frenzy CGY750 fbl nitro-Frenzy fbl NOBAR90

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04-10-2011 09:43 PM  6 years agoPost 9
rudyy

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I just convert my 600N from FB to FBL and this is my first FBL heli. Well, I can tell you the difference is night and day. The head has so much additional power unleashed without the flybar that you can never imagine, and it flies so much stable under windy condition. I am going to convert my 2nd heli, the SDX to FBL soon. FBL is the way to go!!

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04-10-2011 09:49 PM  6 years agoPost 10
payne1967

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my no bar got the electronic treatment after it was flying spot on
so it was set perfect for my scale heli

the only slight thing not quite perfect is i've got a 90 head on a 50 thats going onto a gasser
with the 50 as the test bed
i could do with a spare 90 p&b airframe to try and run the 800 blades on it for final testing before it goes onto the scale machine

with setting up the electronics i cheated
1 fb sceadu and 1 fbl sceadu flown back to back until i got the electronics to fly as well as the fb one
and then fine tuned from there

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04-12-2011 02:23 PM  6 years agoPost 11
dannyh5

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Thanks for all the advice. I have got the heli flying perfect but am still undecided on the benefits of an inherently stable flybar system over an electronically controlled flybarless system. I think I will leave things for a couple of months.

cheers

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04-12-2011 02:58 PM  6 years agoPost 12
uglyrider0078

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Flybar or Flybarless

the problem is dannyh5

you where using the wrong FBL unit i had a 3g and i sold it cheap just wanted out of my sight try the Vbar 5.1 it gives you the best of both world with paddle simulation trust me you'll love it remenber this is the best adviced you'll ever get in the world of RC

Team Miniature Aircraft

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04-13-2011 01:38 AM  6 years agoPost 13
yannick

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I believe you should insist a little bit before to give up. Fbl is really worth it (although I can understand that some people prefer FB, it is a matter of personnal preference).

I agree with Uglyrider, I did the same at the begining and there is now a world between align 3G and Vbar 5.1 (using the governor).

The other element to consider is the speed of the cyclic servos, If they are too slow the FLB unit will not react well and the feeling will be bad. You need fast servos with FBL.

Yannick

Is it me or this time the ground was higher than last time??

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04-13-2011 01:58 AM  6 years agoPost 14
rilopez825

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My experience is like gotnoclue.. Gone flybarless and I also feel more confident on trying new maneuvers.
I fly both vbar on my 600
And 3G on my 450. The 450 can handle flying in the wind much more stable and predictable. The vbar is amazing I have the 5.1 gov active.

Richard

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04-16-2011 10:48 PM  6 years agoPost 15
es1co2bar3

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I don,t know man it hard to tell the different apart from less wind effect" to longer flight time,last week i want to quit using the v-bar
and after this flight i want to still stay with the v-bar

well if your a good pilot i think anything go no matter what fly-bar or no-bar

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I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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04-17-2011 12:15 AM  6 years agoPost 16
Band1086

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FBL is great, I would never go back to a FB'ed set up again! The 3G is the worst system out there, the Total G V2 is a great system, the V-bar is great, and of course the Futaba should be right up there(although I have not had a chance to try mine yet). Also, the BeastX(I have one of these also) is better than the 3G, it's not as good as the above three. I have not tried the Skookum and some others, but I'm sure they are good.

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04-17-2011 02:22 AM  6 years agoPost 17
HeliRush27

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I just started flying my first FBL machine and it is a treat. This thing is solid as a rock and flies like it's on rails.

You want it to turn a little it turns a little, ascend or descend a foot it does exactly what you ask. It's almost like you think it and the heli knows what to do.

Even today in the wind which was gusting 15-20mph, The heli was stable, flew straight and true even at slow speeds, it also completed both upwind and downwind turns perfectly.

V-Bar 5.1 is the trick and I haven't even got it figured out yet.

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04-17-2011 02:56 AM  6 years agoPost 18
alexz

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Yes any three axes Gyro put up agents a single axes gyro is going to make the heli feel like it can fly it's self when dialed in.

Can a fbl heli still be controlled if the gyro fails? Also whats stopping those to try a three axes or more gyro in a fb heli?

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04-17-2011 03:01 AM  6 years agoPost 19
rudyy

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dannyh5, sell your 3G and get a BeastX. Get a FB .. are you crazy?

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04-17-2011 04:14 AM  6 years agoPost 20
eric_b

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I am now thinking about selling the system and putting a flybar back on to make my flying a little more care free and possibly less expensive post crash.
To bar or to barless... They both have merits. But, I can offer my experience in that flybarless crashes are generally not as destructive. I believe this is because the main blades are not free to change pitch on their own (as with a flybar setup changing blade pitch when the flybar assembly tilts) and thus the chance of a boom strike due to blade flop (in the undamaged servo gear condition) is markedly reduced. I also usually run my blade grips tighter with a FBL machine, and this will also reduce the chance of a crash induced rabbitt-earing and boom strike. Plus, there's far fewer linkages to mangle up or lose in a crash.

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