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04-10-2011 10:34 AM  6 years agoPost 21
Spitfire1

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The first time I ever seen an rc heli was a JR Sylphide 90 doing big sky aerobatics, very impressive.

The guy was one of the best pilots ive ever seen even to this day, I know for a fact the guy could not do any 3d moves at all, got me into rc helis about 5 years ago, unfortunately I just heard the same guy took his own life not long ago, real shame as he was one hell of a pilot.

Not takeing away anything from 3d, I spent years trying myself so I understand the whole thing, but I think when I get a heli flying again I will focus more on enjoyment rather than trying to keep up with the Jones`s.

I just have a feeling WC is only focused on going from tail in hovering to 3d flying, and I cant see how it can happen, even though forward circuits are completely different to stick banging, I think you need that confidence to be able to fly a helicopter before you can move on to 3d.

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04-10-2011 02:37 PM  6 years agoPost 22
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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im almost 50 yrs old and dont think my reflexes are what they use to be lol.

i think i have a love for freestyle aerobatics like my pal helicuzz.

also i like sport flight circuits etc more safe and less chance of a crash.

i am now able on jump on the sim and fly through a song without crashing .

other good things that happened for me this year .

i know my tx now and im able to adjust my expos and dual rates to better lock me in to my helicopters.

now i just have to kick the coward out of my self and take the leap and taste the waters.

he is a sample of my goal .
and how are my orentation skills Spitfire1

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I don't understand where you are getting protege.
The student of a mentor is called a protégé. More accurately, for the recondite, the protégé would be called the telemachus (pl. telemachuses or telemachi). Sometimes, the protégé is also called a mentee.

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04-10-2011 03:58 PM  6 years agoPost 23
JasonJ

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I give WC props for guiding more people into the hobby. That being said, I am a proponent of being "Technically and tactically proficient". Those who have been in the military should know that term. I was an instructor in the military as well, and we needed to know the entire job in order to be able to teach it.

I'm not saying WC should be able to do every trick in the book. I'm just saying that basic helicopter flight should be in his capability toolbox. Basic flight is hover in all upright orientations, controlled forward flight and landing. It all needs to be natural, without thought. That gives a foundation to learn on. Anything beyond that is up to the new hobbyist to move on to and learn. A lot of learning advice I read on here is geared towards 3D. People need to feel like they have progressed and just screwing with upright and inverted hover orientations is an awesome way to drive someone from the hobby. People just need to learn how to fly the thing and if they feel a need to progress beyond that, they can move on to the invert and all that.

So good job WC for stepping up and taking on the challenge of teaching. I just recommend you get some forward flight under your belt, you will have so much more fun and feel much more satisfied with the hobby and as an end result will be a better teacher. Good luck

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04-10-2011 05:04 PM  6 years agoPost 24
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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JasonJ I give WC props for guiding more people into the hobby. That being said, I am a proponent of being "Technically and tactically proficient". Those who have been in the military should know that term. I was an instructor in the military as well, and we needed to know the entire job in order to be able to teach it.
thank you jason

when i started this hobby i went from tail in hover then i started practicing flips forward and backward.

then finless bob advised me to stop tring to do stunts and practice the basic orentations on the sim .

the sim got boring real fast doing the basic nose in tail side
inverted tail in was the hardiest but i got it locked in now.

now figure 8s and circuits upright and inverted are not a problem.

im at my last stage now just have to take the leap after i run a pack or two.

i prefer to have no one around but me and the camera person
so i can relax smell the air and do the do.

everyone including my wife has been saying for a whole year that i can do it .
everyone accept me lol.

but im not tring to do 3d as you can see from my sim vids i just want to do some graceful aerobatics to the sound of music.

the music helps me set a pace without music i think to much lol
i just ordered these

the first pair i bought were defective and did not have the built in mp3 player

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with these flying is gonna be more fun and i will be able to go and fly more because i wont have to find or wait on a camera person.

and after 2 years I've gotten enough attention and people are very interested to see me do what they feel i can do.

i have boxes and boxes of spare parts but im not planing on doing any 3d just inverted hover nose in and forward flight and tic tocs should be no big deal .

piro flips in 6 more years lol funnels and hurricanes next year if im lucky.

this year i am ready to do the basic things.

and with mew pilots it does not take much to impress them.

back in the days when i didnt know better we made this video in a public park and this guy came a long and he told me he loved helicopters and he showed me his helicopter watch lol.
this video and this guy made this neighbor hood recognise me and love me for the hobby that i have and they respect me for it .

it feels good thos i dont fly in the park anymore folks sometimes peak into m back yard and smile ..
they call me the guy with the helicopters.

but this dude had me lmao one of my one and only fans that have ever cheered me on.

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this hobby ad its people have been good to me and if i die tomorrow and dont have the opportunity to do ff i had fun believe or not lol.

to many people from all over the world know of me from youtube as a nobody but im known of so i cant behave and do wrong things to people today i feel like a role model and i carry the rc flag for us all.

i love you all and thank you for all of your great advice.

hope you feel me.

most of everything that i have learned has came from right here on Runryder cant wait to get my runryder tatto before i get +anned again (smile)

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04-11-2011 04:56 AM  6 years agoPost 25
David Blain

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Wc_Wickedclown-

I've read a majority of your posts, I've even taken the time to watch videos of you flying on windy day or hovering (some where on a patio).
Including the last video submitted above my post w/ the power wires at sunset in Idle Up 1.
Your heart and desire seems to be in the right path but when I was mentored it was by a very experienced pilot that was skilled well beyond my ability to obtain.

As you teach/mentor it's critical that you instruct the full aspect of the the hobby including all of the safety aspects that come with it.
Mentoring is full encompassing and it doesn't stop as your students come back and ask you to teach them "More" to learn.
This includes the ability to lead your student pilot to the level of your own flying abilities.

As I "Do Not" live in L.B., Nor have seen you fly in person except for your "YouTube" posts, what level are you instructing your new pilot to?
Do you get them to the hovering stage or do you instruct them through the full range of 3D Flying...

Now before I put the "FLAME SUIT" on I am just asking!
This is not a personal attack just a question...........

In closing, your doing a good thing keeping the hobby alive and growing!

David Blain
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04-11-2011 02:55 PM  6 years agoPost 26
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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David Blain Wc_Wickedclown-

I've read a majority of your posts, I've even taken the time to watch videos of you flying on windy day or hovering (some where on a patio).
Including the last video submitted above my post w/ the power wires at sunset in Idle Up 1.
Your heart and desire seems to be in the right path but when I was mentored it was by a very experienced pilot that was skilled well beyond my ability to obtain.

As you teach/mentor it's critical that you instruct the full aspect of the the hobby including all of the safety aspects that come with it.
Mentoring is full encompassing and it doesn't stop as your students come back and ask you to teach them "More" to learn.
This includes the ability to lead your student pilot to the level of your own flying abilities.

As I "Do Not" live in L.B., Nor have seen you fly in person except for your "YouTube" posts, what level are you instructing your new pilot to?
Do you get them to the hovering stage or do you instruct them through the full range of 3D Flying...

Now before I put the "FLAME SUIT" on I am just asking!
This is not a personal attack just a question...........

In closing, your doing a good thing keeping the hobby alive and growing!
i teach them what i have experience about safety the ama and my bad experiences as well as my time as a unsafe pilot and the dangers of flying unsafely.

next i help them build there heli if they need it i recommend parts kits and where to buy them .

i have them do there own wrenching i advise them of why they need to do it there self i also teach them how to setup there tx and again i tell them why i cant do it for them but i guide them through the process
but if they want to be lazy and pay me im not cheap and those that pay
pay very well sometimes and they still do it there self.

next i push them to the sim and after i see there able to hover well on my simulator then i coach them to a stable hover and from there he is on his own then i kick the baby bird from the nest stunts etc i recommend they learn what they want to do on the sim first.

i run a ad on craigslist as well i charge a 1 time fee and if a guy has no money i offer my services for free via craigslist rc repair .

i tell people i dont like to charge i like to give back to the hobby no one ever charged me and if they can tip me im OK with that and if they cant tip me np.

all depends on the person financial situation i am very flexible.

so far i have had 5 pilots at my home from craigslist and youtube

and as far as i know no one has been unhappy with my help and they love my heli's to death and they copy my builds kind of and that is a pleasure to see .

i tell them about the basic orientations and thats all i can do since you cant teach a person how to do 3d but you can stand by there side and coach them on the basic hover .

one day i hope i can coach a person with flips and rolls etc
but im happy where im at for right now.

guys call me from other states from youtube and i make video instructions for them and help them over the phone as well

i did build all of these so i do have a little skill

and i tell them to buy smacktalk rc

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04-11-2011 02:59 PM  6 years agoPost 27
Rogman88

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People need to feel like they have progressed and just screwing with upright and inverted hover orientations is an awesome way to drive someone from the hobby.
Absolutely!!!
I came from planks so learning FFF was the first thing after tail in, side in hovering became second nature. This made me feel good like I was progresssing and more importantly having fun. I then added more orientations and once I had every major orientation down pat, the 3D curve really went up because I could save a heli in any position relative to myself.
If I'd had just sat there trying to learn to hover in all orientations in the beginning I would have gotten frustrated and gone back to planks. People can have a lot of fun just flying tail and side in with occasional nose in inverted. I've got a buddy who can fly the crap out of a heli in just those four orientations. And as stated by WC, it's very impressive to noobs and plankers. Heck it's even impressive to me too!

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04-11-2011 03:07 PM  6 years agoPost 28
Rogman88

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i run a ad on craigslist as well i charge a 1 time fee and if a guy has no money
Didn't we have another guy on here that did that? I can't remember...oh wait...I think his name was Manny Lalo!

LOL!

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04-11-2011 03:25 PM  6 years agoPost 29
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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Rogman88
i run a ad on craigslist as well i charge a 1 time fee and if a guy has no money
Didn't we have another guy on here that did that? I can't remember...oh wait...I think his name was Manny Lalo!
guy called me one night because the hobby shop would not tighten his belt on his 400 size heli.

he paid me 30 bucks i sat with him and his friend in my kitchen i gave him my tools and told him what do to.

him and his buddy where smiling the happy faces from learning something new and getting to do it there self .

and i was smiling to $$$ everyone went to bed happy.

i also told him he would never have to ever pay me again just come on by my tools are here.

and most guys after the learn how to hover they take off running and on there own from there

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04-11-2011 04:26 PM  6 years agoPost 30
RCHSF

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Great Read wc_wickedclown, and to everyone else.

If you can do nose-in on the Sim real good. Then you can do it on the Real Heli.

At first I thought I could not do it on the Real Heli, But I could do it on the sim all day nose-in.

I told myself, your an idiot, I can do it on the sim perfect, hold a steady nose-in, or side-in hover all day.

So one day, I took my 450 out side set it down in the grass, Nose-In

And I gave just a hint of Right Aileron, because I knew the tail always pushes the heli left. And I punched the throttle just a little bit, it popped up about 2-4 feet into a near perfect nose-in hover.
The heli started to drift, My sim training kicked in and after 30 seconds or so. I had overcome and mastered Nose-in hover. Now I'm never scared to turn a bird nose-in any more.

It's all Nerves!!! Nothing More.
Like I said if you can do Nose-In on the Sim, You can do it on the Real Deal.

The Real Heli is a little more sensitive, and twitchy, but the controls on the Sim are the same as on the Real Bird, that's all that matters...

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04-11-2011 04:52 PM  6 years agoPost 31
Rogman88

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Once you get something down where you don't have to think about it, you will be fine. Just start it a little higher so you have more time to save the real heli. If you get something down into your "muscle memory" or your cerebellum in Neuro terms, the corrections will come without thinking. That part of your brain processes far quicker than:

1. seeing the heli go the wrong way (recieviing info and processing that it's going the wrong way).
2. thinking about what is the correction (frontal cortex of brain)
3. Making correction (sending signal from frontal to premotor-then motor cortex then down to your fingers).

In summary, if you can do it without thinking then just do it without thinking on the real heli. Sometimes people fear crashing so try thinking too much when they fly the real thing thus don't make corrections properly or are too slow to correct because they are putting too much on their conscious mind and not the subconcious.

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04-11-2011 06:22 PM  6 years agoPost 32
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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Rogman88 Once you get something down where you don't have to think about it, you will be fine. Just start it a little higher so you have more time to save the real heli. If you get something down into your "muscle memory" or your cerebellum in Neuro terms, the corrections will come without thinking. That part of your brain processes far quicker than:

1. seeing the heli go the wrong way (recieviing info and processing that it's going the wrong way).
2. thinking about what is the correction (frontal cortex of brain)
3. Making correction (sending signal from frontal to premotor-then motor cortex then down to your fingers).

In summary, if you can do it without thinking then just do it without thinking on the real heli. Sometimes people fear crashing so try thinking too much when they fly the real thing thus don't make corrections properly or are too slow to correct because they are putting too much on their conscious mind and not the subconcious.
good idea dont think about it just sim that sucka moderately .

im feeling you on that +1

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04-11-2011 06:41 PM  6 years agoPost 33
mr dan

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I think its great that new members are introduced to the hobby!
but who's gonna teach you Wc to do more than hover tail in?

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04-11-2011 07:56 PM  6 years agoPost 34
RCHSF

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mr dan
I think its great that new members are introduced to the hobby!
but who's gonna teach you Wc to do more than hover tail in?
He's like so many others.

Mentally he already can do nose-in, side-in, ect. He's just not physically ready.
I'm 110% sure he can do it. It will have to come in due season. It's just the pucker factor holding him up.

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04-11-2011 08:16 PM  6 years agoPost 35
Solmanbandit

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just practice 3 mistakes high.

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04-11-2011 08:44 PM  6 years agoPost 36
mr dan

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Its been 4 years LOL!

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04-11-2011 09:05 PM  6 years agoPost 37
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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mr dan I think its great that new members are introduced to the hobby!
but who's gonna teach you Wc to do more than hover tail in?
i have been happy building and helping others and i gave finless bob ,tim jones, train wreck and a ton of sponsored pilots at our field here in calif if i wont to be taught im sure darren would do it live via youtube video he is a awesome kewl guy.

i have been locked in the chicken chair for 1 year and a half who knows what manuevers i might be capable of.

guess i may need to get one of the sponsored guys to give me some coaching who says the teacher cant still be taught.

i have flown nose in a couple of times ive just have not done a nose in hover.

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Solmanbandit just practice 3 mistakes high.
i plan on it i broke both my nitros and my electrics are calling my name i was gonna take them out this morning but ill need a camera person for my 1000th video.

right now its 994 so the day of the clown is near

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04-11-2011 11:37 PM  6 years agoPost 38
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WC wonder if I collect on the help that Chris and I offered you 2 years ago?

A MENTOR to me is a guy who is willing to help you understand all aspects of the hobby. Once you cross the line and charge people for your services you better know your $hit and not be asking RR how to change this or how to fix that... Enjoy the hobby man and remember we all have limits.

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A strong man stands up for himself a STRONGER man will stand up for others.

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04-11-2011 11:48 PM  6 years agoPost 39
Solmanbandit

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If you can't do a nose in hover, what you will teach others will be very limited. You can't teach what you don't know.

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04-11-2011 11:51 PM  6 years agoPost 40
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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•bulldogs WC wonder if I collect on the help that Chris and I offered you 2 years ago?
A MENTOR to me is a guy who is willing to help you understand all aspects of the hobby. Once you cross the line and charge people for your services you better know your $hit and not be asking RR how to change this or how to fix that... Enjoy the hobby man and remember we all have limits.[quote]

well instructors charge for ther services and i offer mine free to the poor and those who have no money as i stated.

and as far as knowing my chit .

i know it all now and i no longer allow anyone to do it for me

you cant learn anything if someone does it for you .

thanks again for what you did for me and i do tell my students about my first favorite pilot bulldog and i show them your awesome vid.

i talk to good ol hecktor all the time and tho you still hate me
i love you hector and chris to death and i would jump in front of a bullet to save your lives believe it or not your were my first and only real mentors and you guys taught me how to coach.

times are very hard and if you guys need money just tell ol dub cee how much i love you dogg and ill never forget you guys

Insha Allah made in america

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