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04-09-2011 03:34 PM  6 years agoPost 1
abgraham

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I've been reading and watching the Castle setup videos on setting up the Auto-rotation recovery and set-RPM features. It basically says that you will loose 'Normal' mode as it is supposed to be set to zero (0,0,0,0,0) for all throttle points. Initial spool-up is to be done in idle-1. What I don't understand is why can't you setup the Normal with only the first point to zero and the other points to something like 30 which will activate the first set-RPM speed.

I understand that using a Normal throttle curve such as (0,30,30,30,30) that you might set off soft-start if you accidently give full down stick during an auto; but, other than that, is there a reason why such a curve wouldn't work.

Thanks.

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04-09-2011 05:55 PM  6 years agoPost 2
rapidity

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You can do that. I use a startup mode myself.

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04-09-2011 06:31 PM  6 years agoPost 3
rtdillon

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Another setup method

I set normal to 30' flat.
I set idle up 1 to 70 flat, and idle up 2 to 100 flat.
This gives me 3 governed head speeds. Just make sure the throttle hold Is set up for 0 flat or you will be in for a wild time!
Also make sure you power up the TX and set throttle hold before powering up the Heli or you are in for the same wild ride.

I have not set the autorotation recover feature yet but plan to later.

No,No..The other left!

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04-10-2011 12:27 AM  6 years agoPost 4
rapidity

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That won't work with auto mode. In automode you use a throttle offset, so it's not really 0. The esc shouldn't arm.

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04-10-2011 12:31 AM  6 years agoPost 5
rtdillon

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Auto mode?

Not sure how you define auto mode. Pardon my ignorance. My auto is set by going to throttle hold which is set to 0.

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04-10-2011 12:44 AM  6 years agoPost 6
RS Rogers

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Auto mode - or auto rotation feature is not 0. It is a calibrated value in throttle hold where the motor is shut off but the controller does not see 0 so it does not go into soft start (won't arm the controller here either). This feature allows you to bail out of an auto & the head speed recovers at a much faster rate (set by the head speed change rate). If you use this auto feature & actually land then you need to go back to your 0 in your normal mode whether its at the first point & low stick position or the entire curve so the head spools up slow according to the initial spool up rate & not the quicker spool up rate from the throttle hold position. The faster rate on the ground just might take off a few teeth if your in grass or spin the heli a few times if on a hard surface.

Steve

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04-10-2011 01:23 AM  6 years agoPost 7
BigBadBaker

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what

hahahaha

If you stay Higher it takes longer to crash

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04-10-2011 01:29 AM  6 years agoPost 8
Dr.Don

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I use a Normal curve of 0,30,30,30,100. You need true zero to arm and to tell the esc you want soft start, and you need 100 to tell the esc to clear the data logging buffer. I put the throttle stick at full up (100), then plug in the battery. This clears the buffer. Then pull the stick to zero and the esc arms. If memory serves me, the throttle hold on my 9303 is set about 12% to enable the bail-out feature. I only use the normal curve for takeoffs and landings.

Dr.Don

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04-10-2011 01:56 AM  6 years agoPost 9
RS Rogers

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If your using set rpm mode you don't need the 100 in the normal curve to clear the logger, just make sure your in stunt or idle 2 ( where ever you have a straight 100% curve) plug the battery in & once the logger clears then go to your normal curve.
If what your using works for ya though nothing wrong with it.

Steve

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04-10-2011 04:24 AM  6 years agoPost 10
abgraham

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Thanks for your replies.

It's just what I thought, as long as the ESC sees 0, it will arm. I'm glad to see there are other guys using a 'normal' Normal curve and the auto-recover feature. In watching Castle's videos, I still don't see why they state that if you use auto-recover, you "must" set the normal curve to a strait zero. My best guess it that they don't want anyone to unintentionally bring the collective stick all the way down during an auto then be unable to use the recover feature because soft-start was triggered by the full down stick. When the spool up was too slow to recover, the user might try to blame the controller.

Any way, after I finish my e-SDX conversion, I'm going to be flying both nitro and electric and I'm used to spooling up in normal mode. It's nice to know that I wont have to throw switches one way for one and another way for the other.

I really like the way that Dr.Don has his setup. If you're not moving the collective stick to the extremes while you're in normal, it makes sense. That's the way I'm going to set mine up too.

Again, thanks for your replies.

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04-13-2011 09:41 PM  6 years agoPost 11
Richardmid1

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I think the reason for making normal mode 00000 is just for the setting up, it affectively makes normal mode your throttle hold (for initialization and safety) as you have to start with a high throttle hold setting.

60% of the time, it works every time!

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04-13-2011 10:30 PM  6 years agoPost 12
Dr.Don

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Here's another point that is probably obvious, but I will mention it anyway.

If you have the bail-out feature set up and are shooting auto's, you need to be careful when you actually land an auto and then wish to take off again. Once landed, you need to switch into normal mode and take the throttle stick to zero before flipping the switch out of throttle hold. If you simply switch throttle hold off without going to true zero throttle first, the ESC will think you are aborting an auto and will use the fast spoolup setting to start up. This will inevitably spin the heli and probably flip it over. This is exactly analogous to what we do after landing an auto with a nitro machine, i.e. you have to come back to normal mode low throttle before flipping throttle hold off.

Dr.Don

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04-13-2011 10:49 PM  6 years agoPost 13
Pistol Pete

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I understand that using a Normal throttle curve such as (0,30,30,30,30) that you might set off soft-start if you accidently give full down stick during an auto; but, other than that, is there a reason why such a curve wouldn't work.
Soft start will only kick in when it sees ZERO as you stated, however it SHOULD NOT when THROTLE HOLD is activated AND it is NOT set to ZERO.

So even IF stick is accidentally in the lowest position with throtle hold activated, it should not matter, other than coming down really-really fast according to NORM pitch settings.

My settings are:
NORM 0-30-30-30-30
Idle1 @ 70's
Idle2 @ 100's
THROTLE HOLD @ 17% which varies by radio and why throtle range needs to be calibrated first prior to auto bail out.

Like RSROGERs, I use Idle2 for clearing logger.

Using 100 in NORM mode and "accidentally" going full stick will give an interesting surprise according to head speed range or the difference from what is set to 30 vs 100. Mentioned this given the key word "accidentally".

~~Enjoying the hobby one flight at a time~~

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04-14-2011 03:13 AM  6 years agoPost 14
abgraham

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Pistol_Pete:
I understand that using a Normal throttle curve such as (0,30,30,30,30) that you might set off soft-start if you accidently give full down stick during an auto; but, other than that, is there a reason why such a curve wouldn't work.
Soft start will only kick in when it sees ZERO as you stated, however it SHOULD NOT when THROTLE HOLD is activated AND it is NOT set to ZERO.
Yea, I understand what you're saying.... The ESC doesn't care what the stick position is while in throttle-hold. I should have said that you might set off soft-start if you accidently give full down stick while in NORMAL mode. Thanks for clarifying that.

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