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04-08-2011 10:16 AM  6 years agoPost 1
shawmcky

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Well things in the UK are getting tough,the government has gotten tough and is cutting everthing and taxing the air we breath and sex to get hold of the debt and defecit.Taxpayers are gritting their teeth,complaining but these things need to be done.Then we start a war in Libya,promise to underwrite £4 billion of Portugals debts as part of a European debt aid program,oh,and Spain could be next.Talk about the silent taxpaying sheep taking it up the rear.Meanwhile the stockmarket is soaring,someone must be making a lot from speculation and outsourcing.Who needs expensive factories and workforces at home,after all money is money wherever you make it,stuff patriotism it would seem,thats for wars

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04-08-2011 04:30 PM  6 years agoPost 2
johnmemphis

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It doesn’t matter how much they tax, they will just spend it, and more.
I’m feel for you guys

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04-08-2011 07:18 PM  6 years agoPost 3
spaceman spiff

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For many years most of the world has been solving its problems by borrowing from the future. Everyone knows that can't go on forever. Yet here we are borrowing again, and in the most careless amounts ever.

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04-08-2011 08:25 PM  6 years agoPost 4
flybarless

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Yet here we are borrowing again, and in the most careless amounts ever.
If you know you are never going to be responsible for it, 1 dollar or a trillion, why care? Not like the gov overlords will be wanting when it all crumbles.

Just remember -- if the world didn't suck, we would fall off.

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04-08-2011 11:46 PM  6 years agoPost 5
Inspector Fuzz

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Every year, for my birthday I buy myself a new RC motor. This year, for the third year in a row, that motor will be a PAW diesel.

Aside from the fact that I really like there motors, they are just a good, decent bunch of fellas to do business with. I worry that the day may not be too far off that they might not be able to surmonut the struggle of running a small business in the UK, so I give them support when I can.

What worries me most about GB is that the US is following it's path. GB was a powerful, world leader, for 2+ centuries. I see America going in the same direction.

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04-09-2011 01:24 AM  6 years agoPost 6
Dusty1000

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Then we start a war in Libya
Although I think the war is probably a mistake, I reckon that Cameron thinks we will make a profit from it in the long term. Not only is it a 'good advert' for arms sales, a few days before the air strikes started, a U.K. 'negotiator' and a few SAS troops parachuted into the terrorist held territory, and I presume the reason was to ensure that if they succeed in taking control of the country, that the contracts would continue, and who knows what else.

I heard the other day that the rebels have just filled up their first supertanker with oil, drilled in the territory they hold, which they are legally allowed to sell on the international market. No prizes for guessing who 'bought' it.
For many years most of the world has been solving its problems by borrowing from the future. Everyone knows that can't go on forever.
I agree. While our government is on the right track with regard to cutting spending, making it harder for those who simply don't want to work to claim welfare, and make it harder for healthy people to claim sickness benefit, when we see the rate the national debt is rising at, it's obvious that we need to cut spending by more, and the sooner the better.

Around 20% of total U.K. government spending goes on welfare, not including pensions, and another chunk goes on local government owned housing. Make publicly owned housing pay for itself, get rid of welfare altogether and we would not only slash spending at a stroke, but we could also transform the economy.

Where would all the people who can't support themselves and their families go? Workhouses were an important part of the industrial revolution, and that was when British industry led the world. Companies would queue up to open such workhouses if they could, and I'm not talking about 1800's style workhouses, I'm thinking more along the lines of the factory cities that the Chinese have. Workers work mainly for their food and board, and wages would of course be dictated by market conditions.

It would be in the employers' interests to feed them with healthy food, they wouldn't be able to afford drugs alcohol or tobacco, the National Health Service would still take care of them when they are sick, and their children would still go to school. I'll bet it would improve education standards at a stroke as well, as children would see where they might end up if they don't work hard at school.

While it might create a class division of those who are in the worhouse and those who aren't, to me that's preferable to the current division of those who will work and those who won't, and of course most employers would rather employ someone who is used to working as opposed to someone who isn't, so the knock on effect would be to increase the calibre of applicants for all jobs.

While it's nice to support our fellow citizens when they are out of work, history has shown that too many of them end up feeling entitled to what they are getting, and then so do their kids, etc. We've tried it, and it doesn't work. It only creates societies who think that they have the right to live off those who do work. That kind of means that those who do work, work for those who don't, which is unacceptable IMO.

Take these measures and get rid of the minimum wage, and not only would we cut spending significantly, but then we could then compete with countries such as China. Get back to where we have a growing trade surplus rather than a growing deficit, pay off ALL of the national debt, and then watch wealth and prosperity increase for everyone.

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04-09-2011 08:06 AM  6 years agoPost 7
shawmcky

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These cuts are indeed necessary but everytime a cut is made it appears someone else comes back for a handout(Europe/Wars)setting all the previous cuts right back again and loading future generations with an even bigger tax liability.How deep does this pot get.Libya is about protecting corporation assets and shareholders again using the sheep money to sort it out.Those guys are so smart It would be nice to think that future generations can have some kind of fullfilled life not just the mega rich.We all need these large coporations but if they throw morality completely out of the window in pursuit of profit then this world is going to be pretty miserable for a lot of people.Especially the ones that live in countries that cant compete with Asia.

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04-09-2011 08:48 AM  6 years agoPost 8
mrloudly

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You forgot the £900,000,000 to build schools in Pakistan. The really weird thing here is that we scrapped the building of new ones here because we couldn't afford them...

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04-09-2011 09:21 AM  6 years agoPost 9
shawmcky

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Good point,this money is no doubt a sweetener so another privately owned corporation/s can get their feet in the door at our(The taxpayers) expense.I wish i had a sugar daddy to do all the groundwork for me and have none of the outlay.You can see why all of this is so clever,corporates control government,politicians control taxes,they tax us more everytime someone needs a few quid for whatever reason.A foolproof plan if ever there was one, all the time manipulating folks into an even more passive state.I sometimes wish people would stand up and get angry and say to the politicians,this mess needs fixing and you can forget any of those little projects that your puppet masters want you to support for there own gain.This is our,as yet unearned money,you are throwing around.Best yet is the UK companies that get their foot in the door in these countries at our expense,supply whatever from factories in Asia no doubt

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04-09-2011 09:57 AM  6 years agoPost 10
Heliguychris

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Make publicly owned housing pay for itself, get rid of welfare altogether
Your a smart guy Dusty, but you lost me there.....seems a little heartless.

And as for your workhouses, take that sh!t back to russia.lol

The west went through the industrial revolution, the tough, hard way. Let the developing world do the same. Seems pretty fair to me.

Im in the same mind as you on the entitlement mentality, but it would appear your a little more hardcore

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04-09-2011 01:53 PM  6 years agoPost 11
mrloudly

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Socialism is great ruined by those that that are prepared to live on the social system

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04-11-2011 12:23 AM  6 years agoPost 12
Dusty1000

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...seems a little heartless.
Perhaps, but people need to realise that we have to work to live. But of course, we live in collective societies where each individual does not have to work to live, and this is what too many folk take advantage of. So at the moment 'we' is the collective 'we', where as long as there are enough of us who do work to support the rest, the rest do not have to.

Perhaps welfare could be restricted to say 5 years worth per person, to be taken at any time throughout our working lives, which if we don't take advantage of by the time we retire, we get to take in a lump sum as part of our pension. Of course, it would be up to each individual whether to take it or not, one could choose to forgo it and leave the money in the system for the benefit of everyone else. Then we would see just how many real socialists there are.
And as for your workhouses, take that sh!t back to russia.lol
Let's call them 'social rehabilitation centres'. They would be for those who take advantage of the fact that they don't have to work to live, to teach them that they do. The unemployment problem in the U.K. isn't due to lack of jobs, it's due to a lack of people willing to enthusiastically and diligently do the jobs that are available, or go out and do something for themselves. I believe that if you are out of work and unable to support yourself, then no job is beneath you. Unfortunately, too many people would seem to disagree.

While there's nothing wrong with welfare in principle, if it's to remain as it is, enabling people to live their whole lives on it, then we need to ask ourselves how many people who choose not to work, we who do work, are prepared to pay to support.

It seems that as our economies continue to decline, due to eastern economies continuing to rise, the jobs that are available will continue to become less attractive to those who are out of work and unable to support themselves. So the number of people who are unwilling to do those jobs will continue to increase. Something radical needs to be done.

Dusty

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