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04-08-2011 02:54 AM  6 years agoPost 1
pinoydad

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well ..bottom line is if we want progress in flying ..we just got to fly rl ..rather than just sitting around in front of the pc doing the same routine on the sim ..nothing like the real deal ..and also if you are not crashing you are not trying hard enough ..so get out and go fly and have fun !!!woohooo!!

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04-08-2011 03:38 AM  6 years agoPost 2
Ladymagic

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Well, that's true, but I still think you can push hard and learn quickly without out crashing all the time lol. Crashing every other flight doesn't necessarily mean you are learning anything...but, more of an indication that you are in sore need of more practice on the sim first lol...

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04-08-2011 03:49 AM  6 years agoPost 3
Band1086

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I totally agree with Mellisa. I have personally advanced much quicker by over stepping my ability a little but not so far as to crash much. Plus it's a lot funner(and cheaper lol) to fly, than to sit a home and fix my crashes all the time!...

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04-08-2011 04:31 AM  6 years agoPost 4
pinoydad

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yea but you just don't spend time on the sim and not try rl right ?..you guys know crashing is inevitable no matter what level you are in ..
what's the point of getting your self a helicopter if you won't try to fly ..after all sim is for practicing and getting oriented in flying the real ones ..

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04-08-2011 04:48 AM  6 years agoPost 5
Ladymagic

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Sometimes crashing is inevitable, but you should never go out to the field expecting to crash either. I think it's very possible to manipulate the odds in your favor if you know your limits, perpare your machine accordingly, and be prepared in case something does go wrong without being so nervous that you can't keep your hands still to fly.

Many times, if you are prepared for a failure, you reaction in that case can help you get your machine on the ground in one piece. Pilots that aren't prepared are the ones who statically crash most epically. Because they freeze, give up, or just plain freak out, over controll the heli, and put all the wrong inputs in. That's where the sim plays an important role that some people don't spend enough time developing. Use the sim to learn how to correctly react in an emergency situation and you'll save your machine most of the time and develope a high level of confidence that you can handle any situation that your heli might surprise you with. I've been able to save my heli's 9 times outta 10 from what I've learned on the sim.

So, what does being "prepared" really mean? It doesn't mean that you can fly a heli with one blade, no tail rotor, and one cyclic servo. It simply means that you can stay calm, quickly asses the status of your machine, and properly execute corrective actions. Not only that, but it also means that you are atuned to your heli to know when the probability of bad situation is at its highest so you can land and resolve it before it becomes a catastrophy. I can't tell you how many times I've seen pilots crash becuase they ignored an unusual vibe, or noise, or just don't notice it until it's too late.

So, I'd have to disagree with the montra that if you aren't crashing then you aren't flying hard enough. Personally, if you aren't crashing then that means you are doing something right and saving alot of money at the same time.

With that being said, I do agree that you should always push yourself to improve on what you already know, but i don't think you should do so blindly. I think you can get the basic physics of a new manuever down on a good sim and that in itself should increase the chances that you'll successfully be able to duplicate in real life as well. If you do crash after all of that, then that means that you didn't prepare well enough on the sim before hand, so its back to the sim for more practice and your wallet for repairs during the interim.

Mellisa

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04-08-2011 04:58 AM  6 years agoPost 6
pinoydad

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yea well in my case ..i have found and settled on a confort zone where i will stay ..that is to fly and not crash ..so we are not really arguing here ..i just dont see me sitting on the sim any more for anything else ..but don't get me wrong i still sim once in a while but i'm just one of a few that can't really do it that long ..10 minutes get boring to me any more ..so i go watch pawn stars ..lol

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04-08-2011 05:18 AM  6 years agoPost 7
Ladymagic

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yeah practice on the sim gets boring for sure, but it's for the better I think. I can't tell you how many hours I spent trying to learn how to piro flip. I did get bored and just plain frustrated but, when it finally clicked I was glad I did it. The first time I tried it out for real..it couldn't have gone better. It was like I'd been doing it all my life.

The best thing I can tell you for the boredom is to just try and mentally challenge yourself. That and keeping my end goal in mind helped me out so much. I think it'll be worth it in the end for you too

Keep practicing and don't give up.

Mellisa

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04-08-2011 02:01 PM  6 years agoPost 8
JOLT

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Pinoydad:

So you are saying, if you are not crashing then you are not trying hard enough....but now you are in a comfort zone and not crashing.

So, by your own philosophy, you are not trying hard enough. So get out there and start crashing sir!

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04-08-2011 04:31 PM  6 years agoPost 9
pinoydad

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well think about it ..even on any ones comfort zone ..one can still crash ..where are we going on this? ..all i'm saying is to the newbies like me ..just get out there and try it to feel the real thing ..and if you tried to fly then you get over the fear of it ..am i not clear on my message here ?i did not expect this to be argumentative ..

and..jolt ..i'm glad to tell you this ..i'm past those times (not saying i'm not gonna crash again )but because i tried i was able to reach my goal ,that is just to do sport flying ..that's all ..

i'm also training my son to fly w/ out the sim (he doesn't have one )and on the first day ,he was doing what i call "hopvering "second day he was hovering ..yesterday was his third day ,w/ a training pod he did front/back ,side to side ..w/ out crashing ..yet that is

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04-08-2011 04:54 PM  6 years agoPost 10
JOLT

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I saw your recent video showing your progress after a year and a half. You fly well Pinoydad. Very methodical with purposeful movements. I see a lot of people showing their "skills" (3D). Many just trick and catch, trick and catch with no transition or intent in what they are doing.

I have much more respect for technical skill (like the progress you have made) in truly flying a helicopter as opposed to wild stick movements and "look at me".

For me, I am methodical in trying something new. I break the maneuver down into steps that I am familiar with and move slowly relying on high altitude as my friend. With repetition, it becomes natural until I get IT. I rarely crash. And I don't think the "If you're not crashing, you're not trying approach" is valid.

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04-08-2011 08:18 PM  6 years agoPost 11
pinoydad

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well thank you jolt ..that phrase was just something i picked up around the net any way ..i just thought it is sensible way of saying .."go fly and if it crashes,fix it "..lol..

yep and i had the share of that stick banging method and it did'nt work for me ..just costs me money ..

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04-08-2011 08:29 PM  6 years agoPost 12
HeliKopter Ken

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Just fly is right, but if there is something you have never done before. It is a good chance just going for it won't make it happen right away. Take your time, push yourself, but not over your ablities.

That was My problem in the beginning trying things I had no idea how to start, That's a crash!!

Good luck and FLY.

Aurora, Raptor 90 FBL, Logo 600SX

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04-09-2011 12:55 AM  6 years agoPost 13
RCHSF

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I can do nise in just as good as tail in (on the real heli) But the heli gets into forward flight and seems to get going to quick for me. I can slow it down, but this is my main problem. I guess I need to fly higher and in a larger space. I got just about a minute or two nose in on my blade cp, but the heli go's up down kinda random, and the tail is crazy. I'd pull out one of my new 450's but I only have one lipo, and no spairs yet.

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