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04-05-2011 06:05 AM  6 years agoPost 1
cdrking

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04-05-2011 06:21 AM  6 years agoPost 2
Dood

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did he really need to eject? I don't know whats worse ---

Ejecting so close to the ground and risk your chute not opening
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skidding down the runway for a little while longer and risk some minor burns.

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04-05-2011 12:37 PM  6 years agoPost 3
SSN Pru

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that guy thought he was in an F/A-18 landing on the George Washington.

That probably would have been a three-wire.

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04-05-2011 01:27 PM  6 years agoPost 4
EvoFlight50

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skidding down the runway for a little while longer and risk some minor burns
Or being in it if the fuel ignited and the entire thing blew up.

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04-05-2011 02:33 PM  6 years agoPost 5
mbrewer

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I would opt to punch out seeing that it was carrying live ordinance.

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04-05-2011 03:07 PM  6 years agoPost 6
dukes-my-dog

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and he didnt go till the fire was all around him. i would have said it was time to go to

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04-05-2011 03:46 PM  6 years agoPost 7
Lomcevek1

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Tough to say what you would do till placed in that situation. I don;t have the time to search just yet, but does anyone know why this happened ??

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04-05-2011 07:46 PM  6 years agoPost 8
sincity

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Had to be something mechanical. Why would they be filming it if it was just another landing. He tried to come up on the engine RPM's, but the nose didn't come up till right at the end. Would be interesting to know what it was all about.

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04-05-2011 07:55 PM  6 years agoPost 9
shawmcky

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I reckon that was Tom Cruise going for the mother of all cool landings,"Mission impossible"if you ask me.

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04-05-2011 08:00 PM  6 years agoPost 10
sincity

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Another posting of the same video says the engine gave up and he was trying to land in Afghanistan. Makes sense, but didn't quite get the flare in there...

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04-05-2011 08:29 PM  6 years agoPost 11
SSN Pru

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funny, you can hear the engine begin to rev up right before touchdown as the pilot no doubt realizes his decent rate is too high.

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04-05-2011 11:38 PM  6 years agoPost 12
2LTime

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did he really need to eject?
Probably knew the plane was a goner and was trying to save the seat.

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04-08-2011 07:50 PM  6 years agoPost 13
Castlebravo

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did he really need to eject? I don't know whats worse ---

Ejecting so close to the ground and risk your chute not opening
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skidding down the runway for a little while longer and risk some minor burns.
He hit really hard....probably sustained some injuries.....might have even broken his back.

I worked on A-4's in the Marines. In conversations with the pilots....they always said....if there's fire....get the F out! We had a bird frag itself with a 500lb bomb in Yuma. Dropped too low and fragments damaged the airplane. The plane was still flying however the wingman saw flames......time to get out!

All modern ejection seats are zero zero...that means they will get you out at 0 airspeed and 0 altitude......I would rather take my chance there rather than navigate myself out of a burning aircraft that could explode any second.

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04-09-2011 02:40 AM  6 years agoPost 14
George Matthews

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He obviously was having some kind of engine trouble as that was not a normal looking final approach.
Just look at his pitch on final, nose down isn't normal unless your trying to keep your airspeed up due to engine failure.
Still didn't have enough airspeed for the flair.
And not only that you might as well get s skydive outta of the deal.

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04-11-2011 12:27 AM  6 years agoPost 15
Hughes500Pilot

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The Harrier in question is GR9A ZG478 / 68. It crashed at Kandahar air base in Afghanistan on May 14, 2009.

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04-11-2011 03:03 AM  6 years agoPost 16
JoseA

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Hughes500Pilot

Is that an actual picture of the incident? Can you provide link to a report on the incident?

I'm very curious as to the details on this...

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04-11-2011 04:11 AM  6 years agoPost 17
Ladymagic

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Seems to have taken them too long to get the plane before the flames got so bad. Might have been able to save more of the aircraft if they'd responded quicker. If an IFE was already declared, you'd think they would have already been in a position to get to the plane within seconds. But it took them almost 2 minutes just to get the plane after it had come to a stop. I'm sure we'll see this on an AF training video in the near future.

Those Harriers are so dependant on power and airspeed. Losing the engine would not fun at all since they don't have a very high stall threshold and they don't look like they would glide well at all. We have a Marine component here and I see these flying out of Kadena all the time. They don't really look like they want to fly even with a fully operational engine when I'm watching them. Tough bird though....an F-16 probably would have decentigrated on impact with a hit like that.

Looks like the pilot wasn't in too bada shape...so that's good. Pack it up and go again

Any know the full story? Was he really having engine problems or did he just misjudge his RoD and glide slope?

Hope the pilot's not hurt too bad...

Mellisa

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04-11-2011 08:51 AM  6 years agoPost 18
Solmanbandit

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did he really need to eject? I don't know whats worse ---
Once the flames reached the cockpit, it pretty much says "time to go". As far as the response goes, they have to keep their distance because of the live ordinance. If I remember correctly, 500 lb bomb is 2000 ft. So when he touched down, you don't want to be right there in case one of those live bombs goes up. Depending on when he had the engine failure or nozzle failure, I am surprised that he didn't abort his tanks and ordinance. If you listen to the video, his engines are still running. So more likely a nozzle problem. Typically when you have engine failure, that is one of the first things you do.

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04-11-2011 09:26 AM  6 years agoPost 19
Lomcevek1

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If you had time and opportunity would you not pitch the ordinance before an emergency landing ??

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04-11-2011 09:45 AM  6 years agoPost 20
TrexRookie

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Everything is 20/20 in hindsight... He had moments to make the decision. If I were in his shoes, I'd first be focused on making sure that I'd be putting this thing down in an unpopulated area as much as possible. Who knows what that guy was thinking at that point.. It happened so fast..

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