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04-09-2011 07:36 AM  6 years agoPost 141
shawmcky

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^^^Hey Dennis it is about time you had a shave Some great thinking behind a great debate

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04-09-2011 10:41 AM  6 years agoPost 142
sks

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Dennis.. You've got 'em on the ropes...Time for the "ropeadope"!!
no he hasn't.

he's been darted and the chemicals are making him talk and think rubbish. but then again he's always been talking rubbish.
Hey Dennis it is about time you had a shave
raccoons don't need to shave - they just are, that is, a bloody nuisance.

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04-11-2011 12:37 AM  6 years agoPost 143
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Dusty, if you read the whole article and maybe a couple of others about that era you will see that the Muslims of then were indeed attacking Europe as well as their own neighbors.
As I've already said, they were empire building like everyone else was in those days. If you read the article I posted, you will also see why they fight when they feel that they are being repressed.
Now, You are correct in that there were/are other people and groups professing to be Christians that were/are just as bad or worse.
I cannot think of any atrocities committed by any Muslims throughout history, anywhere close to the scale of those committed by the Nazis or the Japanese in WW2, or even as brutal as the Crusades. Can you? In fact, it would appear that the spread of Islam has been largely peaceful.
The problem with all of these groups is that they get their religion cast in a bad light with their insane hatred and violence and that makes the victims of their violence angry enough to want to destroy everyone of the terrorist's religion.
That's due to a lack of education, or emotion taking precedence over logic, or in Dennis' case, both.

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04-11-2011 12:44 AM  6 years agoPost 144
Dennis (RIP)

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I cannot think of any atrocities committed by any Muslims throughout history, anywhere close to the scale of those committed by the Nazis or the Japanese in WW2, or even as brutal as the Crusades. Can you? In fact, it would appear that the spread of Islam has been largely peaceful.
Well, there is a significant number of them that tend to be not so peaceful today. Doesn't make them all guilty of that, of course. But, it sure is a signal to prepare yourself.

Of course, you can carry a history book while you have a gun pointed at your infidel head.

Whatever logic you choose.

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04-11-2011 12:46 AM  6 years agoPost 145
Dusty1000

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The solution is not in the past.
How do you know, when you don't even know what the past is? Have you never learned from our mistakes? The solution is often in the past. If we had split up and occupied Germany after WW1 like we did after WW2, we would likely never have heard of Hitler.
Go ahead Dusty. You carry your frickin history book to the enemy. A soldier will have to carry a rifle. Obviously, that soldier will not get any help from the likes of guys like you.
It's because of the likes of you, that soldiers and civilians get killed in the first place. You would rather send them out to their deaths in the hope that they might 'kill the enemy' when you don't even know who they are fighting, or why.

Dusty

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04-11-2011 12:53 AM  6 years agoPost 146
Dusty1000

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I say Dennis has the advantage.....Emotion and pragmatism are two different animals...
This is an internet forum. Dennis isn't going to get anywhere by arguing like a woman.
A study of what we can gather about the Crusades, a bit of reading of several different translations of the Q'ran, the actions worldwide of muslim extremists, the advent of "Londonistan"..
Just as any 'kill the infidels' type propaganda website will tell you. Looking at all of the facts however, paints a very different picture.
All point to islam being a danger to what we in the West refer to as "Civilization"...Consider if you will that all the advances in science and mathematics developed in the Arab wold seems to have stopped with the advent of islam...You get the idea...
That would be entirely wrong. Look up 'The Golden Age Of Islam', and note that not all of the world leading scholars which came from those very societies at that time, were Muslims, since of course Jews and Christians lived peacefully among them.

When that all came to an end, was when the west invaded and carved up their countries. They think, that it's about time we stopped.

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04-11-2011 12:57 AM  6 years agoPost 147
Dusty1000

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Well, there is a significant number of them that tend to be not so peaceful today. Doesn't make them all guilty of that, of course. But, it sure is a signal to prepare yourself.
It's only natural to be fearful of the unknown. It's a pity that you're so scared.
Whatever logic you choose.
Logic is based on facts. When you are too paranoid to even look at the facts, you cannot pretend to know logic.

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04-11-2011 01:00 AM  6 years agoPost 148
Dennis (RIP)

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This is an internet forum. Dennis isn't going to get anywhere by arguing like a woman.
And, you won't get anywhere by acting like one.
It's because of the likes of you, that soldiers and civilians get killed in the first place. You would rather send them out to their deaths in the hope that they might 'kill the enemy' when you don't even know who they are fighting, or why.
No, its not because of the likes of me. I don't send anyone of to war and starting wars is a bit out of my pay grade.

I did get drafted, went to Vietnam in the Navy and did my best. It was not up to me to know who we were fighting or why. I just did my job.
When that all came to an end, was when the west invaded and carved up their countries. They think, that it's about time we stopped.
The West divided up countries ???

Give us your take on that. I am sure you can do better.
It's only natural to be fearful of the unknown. It's a pity that you're so scared.
I am not scared for myself. But, I am very concerned for the innocent. You know. There was almost 3000 of them on 9/11.

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04-11-2011 01:40 AM  6 years agoPost 149
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No, its not because of the likes of me. I don't send anyone of to war and starting wars is a bit out of my pay grade.
It is because of the likes of you, as it is the likes of you who send others to war. Although not you personally of course, as you're just an armchair warmonger. More like a cheerleader. Emotions and everything.
I did get drafted, went to Vietnam in the Navy and did my best. It was not up to me to know who we were fighting or why. I just did my job.
So is that why you don't want to know who your troops are currently fighting, or why?
The West divided up countries ???
You really do seem to have a problem seeing what is in front of your face. 'Divided' is not what I said. Carving up countries internally, i.e invading them and installing your own choice of leader, is 'carving up countries', but not 'dividing up countries'. Please try to keep up.
I am not scared for myself. But, I am very concerned for the innocent.
So you are 'concerned' for yourself.
You know. There was almost 3000 of them on 9/11.
Yes, we know. Repeating the same thing again and again won't make it any better or worse. It will only cause your paranoia to endure, and keep logic from seeing through your emotions.

Dusty

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04-11-2011 02:07 AM  6 years agoPost 150
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I cannot think of any atrocities committed by any Muslims throughout history, anywhere close to the scale of those committed by the Nazis or the Japanese in WW2, or even as brutal as the Crusades. Can you? In fact, it would appear that the spread of Islam has been largely peaceful.
I guess some would argue that point because of Islam's treatment of women throughout history. Sharia law could be concidered an atrocity in it's self.

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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04-11-2011 02:20 AM  6 years agoPost 151
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I guess some would argue that point because of Islam's treatment of women throughout history.
That's not so different from how Christians treated women until fairly recently. They've always been 2nd class citizens and are only starting to achieve equality now. Didn't you know that?
Sharia law could be concidered an atrocity in it's self
It was probably seen to be pretty fair when it was first introduced. Most modern Muslims would seem to agree that it's a little out of date, and that is why it's mostly in the more backward Muslim countries, the one's we have occupied that is, where Sharia law is the law of the land, and even then only in varying degrees.

You appear to be looking for things that are 'bad' regarding Muslims in particular. I would even go so far as to say that your point of view is biased. Are you a Christian?

Dusty

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04-11-2011 04:02 AM  6 years agoPost 152
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fwiw..

I've done some checking....I'm sticking with my prior statement about the decline of the Arab civilization being linked to islam....There are many factors, but the internal struggles among islamic factions (sunni and shi'ite) were among the most damaging....islam, like christianity or mormonism is probably more politics than religion...What cannot be disputed (if you believe the various translations) is that islam is intolerant of other religions, it wishes to subjugate non-believers, and jihad is very real....

Neither I nor anyone else has time to vet every muslim on earth...Much easier to broad brush and be suspicious...It's that survival thing, you know...
BTW..it is also in the q'ran that ..
... it is expected that you will lie to the non-believer to gain trust until you can conquer him..

Still care to be "understanding"..."tolerant"...?

I can't afford to take the chance..

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04-11-2011 04:07 AM  6 years agoPost 153
Dennis (RIP)

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That's not so different from how Christians treated women until fairly recently. They've always been 2nd class citizens and are only starting to achieve equality now.
Doesn't that tell you something Dusty.

Or, are you going to hide behind history again?

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04-11-2011 06:25 AM  6 years agoPost 154
baby uh1

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You appear to be looking for things that are 'bad' regarding Muslims in particular. I would even go so far as to say that your point of view is biased. Are you a Christian?
Dusty,
IT isn't difficult to find many "bad" things about Islam and their mistreatment of women doesn't compare well even to medieval Christianity.
And yes, I am a Christian or at least someone who attempts to be one.
Are you a Muslim?

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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04-11-2011 12:11 PM  6 years agoPost 155
Dusty1000

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I've done some checking....I'm sticking with my prior statement about the decline of the Arab civilization being linked to islam...
But that wasn't your prior statement. Your prior statement was:
all the advances in science and mathematics developed in the Arab wold seems to have stopped with the advent of islam...
which is demonstrably incorrect by the very fact that The Golden Age of Islam came about, after the advent of Islam, and continued for 500 years.

So when you say you're sticking with your prior statement, what you really mean is that as your prior statement has been proved to be wrong, you're making a new statement and pretending it's your prior statement. Fail.
BTW..it is also in the q'ran that ..
... it is expected that you will lie to the non-believer to gain trust until you can conquer him..
As I've already shown, non-believers, to Muslims, do not include Christians and Jews, who are referred to as 'People of the Book', and are considered to be fellow believers in Allah.

The Bible however makes it quite clear that Christians should kill followers of all religions other than Christianity. Not only that, but if a follower of any other religion attempts to convert Christians to another religion, you should not only kill him but also kill everyone else in his town, and all the livestock, and then burn the town. Does that sound like tolerance to you?
Still care to be "understanding"..."tolerant"...?
If you base your fears on what it says in the Quran, and expect Muslims to do likewise with the Bible, it would be reasonable to expect that Muslims have more reason to be scared of Christians, than Christians have reason to be scared of Muslims. Perhaps Muslims aren't as paranoid...

Dusty

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04-11-2011 12:13 PM  6 years agoPost 156
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Doesn't that tell you something Dusty.
That tells me that, like the Bible, the Quran was written by men, not women.
Or, are you going to hide behind history again?
Is it fear that causes you to continually make these irrational statements?

Dusty

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04-11-2011 12:20 PM  6 years agoPost 157
Dusty1000

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IT isn't difficult to find many "bad" things about Islam and their mistreatment of women doesn't compare well even to medieval Christianity.
The days of the witch hunts?
And yes, I am a Christian or at least someone who attempts to be one.
Perhaps that's why you're biased. It's this good or evil thing, if you're not fur us, then you're agin us. It must be one or the other, and there is no middle ground. Pathetic.
Are you a Muslim?
No, I'm not a Muslim, and as I don't care for one religion more than any other, so my point of view is from neutral ground. I can see good and bad in both Christianity and Islam, and I don't consider one to be inherently evil and the other to be inherently good, like you do.

Dusty

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04-11-2011 03:43 PM  6 years agoPost 158
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I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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04-11-2011 03:51 PM  6 years agoPost 159
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04-11-2011 03:57 PM  6 years agoPost 160
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True?For 20% of you Yes sir,the remainder, Si Senor

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