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04-05-2011 09:46 PM  6 years agoPost 61
Dennis (RIP)

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Exactly. It's not their fight, in both cases. Even if Dennis thinks that it should be their fight.
I think it should be their fight on a large scale. If they don't, then it just prolongs their own struggle for trust in the world today. The only exception would be the politically correct type. I don't belong to that group.

Just my 2 cents.
I don't remember too many Irish Christians 'fighting' IRA terrorists. That was largely left up to the British army. Thank heck that they didn't decide to punish all Irish people because of the actions of a few. That certainly wouldn't be a very Christian 'thing' to do... or would it.
As sad as that fight is, it does not stack up to the scale of the war on terror. Not even close.

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04-06-2011 12:31 AM  6 years agoPost 62
Dragon2115

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koppter - No one is questioning whether the Christian Moron had a right to desecrate a religious symbol - the question is whether he thought about the ramifications of doing so. It's absurb to think that we can hide behind the first amendment as a protection from our actions, and in doing so, not take responsibility for who they offend - and those of you who call them towel heads, or whatever, you are simply bigots, nothing less.
Did you read what you wrote?. In one breath you say no one is questioning the right and then in the very next breath you yourself question it. In just three sentences you managed to make a statement and then totally contradict it.

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04-06-2011 12:45 AM  6 years agoPost 63
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I think it should be their fight on a large scale. If they don't, then it just prolongs their own struggle for trust in the world today. The only exception would be the politically correct type. I don't belong to that group.
Nonsense. The 'only' exception would be those who don't support the concept of the killing of many because of the actions of a few. That has nothing whatsoever to do with political correctness.
As sad as that fight is, it does not stack up to the scale of the war on terror. Not even close.
Indeed. Just as the tiny island that is Ireland, does not 'stack up to the scale' of the entire Islamic middle east.
Not even close.

The principle however, is the same.

How many innocent people have to be killed, before killing many more innocent people because of the actions of a few guilty people, becomes the right thing to do rather than the wrong thing to do?

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04-06-2011 01:00 AM  6 years agoPost 64
Dennis (RIP)

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How many innocent people have to be killed, before killing many more innocent people because of the actions of a few guilty people, becomes the right thing to do rather than the wrong thing to do?
I suppose if the idiot terrorists keep from hiding behind the innocents and stand up, maybe the few guilty will be punished without risking the innocent. Indeed, how may?

We are at war. Thats never pretty, no matter how hard you try. Its not supposed to be like having your Mommy hold your hand through battle while telling you to be nice. War just don't work that way.

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04-06-2011 01:12 AM  6 years agoPost 65
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I suppose if the idiot terrorists keep from hiding behind the innocents and stand up, maybe the few guilty will be punished without risking the innocent. Indeed, how may?
yeah, that's right, Dennis, kill them all.

nothing to do with the fact that it's a very tiny minority we are talking about.

How can you possibly know what they ALL are like from just a very small representative few, that the media selectively portray for some hidden agenda?

God, you're so paranoid it's beyond reason.

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04-06-2011 01:36 AM  6 years agoPost 66
Dennis (RIP)

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nothing to do with the fact that it's a very tiny minority we are talking about.
It was a tiny minority that caused significant loss of life and very serious property damage on 9/11 as well. We had better do every single thing we can to make sure it does not happen again.

If you wish to play hide and seek with these people, then thats your business. I am all for going after them in every way we can to stop them. Kill them if necessary.
How can you possibly know what they ALL are like from just a very small representative few, that the media selectively portray for some hidden agenda?
You very obviously do not read my words. If you do, you make your own words in your mind from them for the sake of political correctness. Its a waste of time with thinking like that. That sounds like that lefty nutjob Whoopee Goldberg. Its like trying to negotiate with a totally intolerant terrorist who is sworn to Allah to kill the infidel. I am sure you would not kill the innocent. Its the parallel in conversing that is similar.

Sure, they are a small minority. Its not a small minority that shouts "Death To America" in their streets. Granted, not many of them know what that even means or the significance of those words. But, there are enough of them that do and can easily cause another 9/11.

If you want to call that paranoid, then fine. Since you do, I call you dangerously ignorant, irresponsible and naive at the expense of innocent lives. Thats not a category I wish to fall into myself.

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04-06-2011 05:08 AM  6 years agoPost 67
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I can speak out against all Muslims that do not fight against the "Radical Muslim" element that makes their own look very bad and not to be trusted.
christians are not keeping nut jobs like jones in check

nor the right wing christians murdering abortion doctors

you cant have it both ways

I wish muslims would stand up against the terrorist but I dont blame the peacefull ones staying away from violent charactors. many im sure dont make their terrorist behaviour obvious

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04-06-2011 05:28 AM  6 years agoPost 68
Dennis (RIP)

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christians are not keeping nut jobs like jones in check

nor the right wing christians murdering abortion doctors
Jones does have a right to make a fool out of himself. In his particular case, his actions were foolish, irresponsible, idiotic, and dangerous. To insinuate that Christians somehow support his actions or condone them is just plain idiotic. Do you expect Christians to string him up? We have laws in this country. Thats what they are for.

Why don't you get off the "I Hate Christians" kick outhouse? Its getting kinda old. Please keep it in the God thread.

We don't see those abortion doctor killings continuing. Those that have been caught and tried in a court of law are locked up in jail for many, many years. They have been put in check by our court system, not Christianity. Here, they are responsible to mans laws. Later, they will be responsible to Gods law. You never see main stream religion of any kind in this country supporting actions like that. None of them. Never have, never will.

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04-06-2011 09:06 AM  6 years agoPost 69
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Sometimes a free thinking person should look at history to understand why some of these countries hate the West so much.The UK and US elite have a long history of interfering countries going back over centuries usually to rob them blind.Let see a few recent examples of us getting involved for truly humanitarian reasons.Please dont say IraqPeople on the recieving end of shells and bombs never consider themselves"Collateral Damage"when relations are concerned,911 should tell you that.Emotions and revenge are a two way street,muslim or christian,western or"third world".

Team- unbiased opinion.K.I.S.S principle upheld here

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04-06-2011 10:26 AM  6 years agoPost 70
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I suppose if the idiot terrorists keep from hiding behind the innocents and stand up, maybe the few guilty will be punished without risking the innocent.
If you know the first thing about terrorism, then you know that won't happen. That is not how terrorists operate. Never has been, never will.
Indeed, how may?
This is what I'm asking you, as you support the idea of 'hitting them hard'. Do you think that if we had dropped a few bombs on some random part of Ireland, every time the IRA bombed the U.K., that would have 'taught them a lesson', 'shown them who's boss', and that the rest of the Irish people would have understood that they had better start fighting the terrorists themselves, or else?

Or, would you agree that any such action would have only been likely to exasperate the situation, and turn more Irish people against us, thereby resulting in the likelihood of even more terrorist attacks, not less?

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04-06-2011 11:38 AM  6 years agoPost 71
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This is what I'm asking you, as you support the idea of 'hitting them hard'. Do you think that if we had dropped a few bombs on some random part of Ireland, every time the IRA bombed the U.K., that would have 'taught them a lesson', 'shown them who's boss', and that the rest of the Irish people would have understood that they had better start fighting the terrorists themselves, or else?

Or, would you agree that any such action would have only been likely to exasperate the situation, and turn more Irish people against us, thereby resulting in the likelihood of even more terrorist attacks, not less?
So ah Dusty.

Whats your solution?
I suppose if the idiot terrorists keep from hiding behind the innocents and stand up, maybe the few guilty will be punished without risking the innocent.
If you know the first thing about terrorism, then you know that won't happen. That is not how terrorists operate. Never has been, never will.
Are you trying to say that terrorists do not hide behind the innocent and never have?

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04-06-2011 12:25 PM  6 years agoPost 72
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So ah Dusty.

Whats your solution?
What makes you think I have a solution? The only 'solution' offered so far, is your suggestion of killing lots of innocent people, so that is the 'solution' that's being discussed. So, if you'll answer the question then we can explore whether such an action might indeed prove to be a solution, or whether it would only further exasperate the situation.
Are you trying to say that terrorists do not hide behind the innocent and never have?
No. You said:
I suppose if the idiot terrorists keep from hiding behind the innocents and stand up, maybe the few guilty will be punished without risking the innocent.
When I replied, that is not how terrorists operate, I meant that terrorists do not 'keep from hiding behind innocents', and they do not 'stand up so that they can be punished without risking the innocent.' Never have done, never will do. I thought that was pretty obvious actually.

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04-06-2011 12:48 PM  6 years agoPost 73
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What makes you think I have a solution?
You seem to have opinions on the matter. You don't seem to like mine. You must have opinions on a solution. Lets hear it.
The only 'solution' offered so far, is your suggestion of killing lots of innocent people, so that is the 'solution' that's being discussed.
I said my solution is killing lots of people??

Please Dusty. You are getting rather ridiculous.
So, if you'll answer the question then we can explore whether such an action might indeed prove to be a solution, or whether it would only further exasperate the situation.
Answer what question?
When I replied, that is not how terrorists operate, I meant that terrorists do not 'keep from hiding behind innocents', and they do not 'stand up so that they can be punished without risking the innocent.' Never have done, never will do. I thought that was pretty obvious actually.
That makes no sense at all. Perhaps you can rephrase.

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04-06-2011 01:28 PM  6 years agoPost 74
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The only 'solution' offered so far, is your suggestion of killing lots of innocent people, so that is the 'solution' that's being discussed.
Excuse me for interrupting,but is this not the muslims solution?
Jones didnt kill any innocent people (he was merely excercising his right to express himself) the muslims did.

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04-06-2011 01:46 PM  6 years agoPost 75
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You seem to have opinions on the matter. You don't seem to like mine. You must have opinions on a solution. Lets hear it.
You are trying to detract from what you have said. I am asking you about the 'solution' that you have already put forward. One thing at a time.
I said my solution is killing lots of people??
You did say:
Previously posted by Dennis:
If Radical Muslim hits us hard once again like they did on 9/11, then all of Muslim/Islam will suffer for that.
How exactly would you have ''all of Muslim/Islam suffer'' if killing innocent people was not what you meant?
Answer what question?
The one I asked, of course.

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04-06-2011 01:56 PM  6 years agoPost 76
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That makes no sense at all. Perhaps you can rephrase.
I'll try breaking it down.
Dennis said:
I suppose if the idiot terrorists keep from hiding behind the innocents...
I replied:
If you know the first thing about terrorism, then you know that won't happen. That is not how terrorists operate. Never has been, never will.
Explanation:
That means that terrorists will not keep from hiding behind innocents, never have done, never will do. Or in other words, terrorists will keep hiding behind innocents, always have done, always will do.
Dennis said:
...and stand up...
I replied:
If you know the first thing about terrorism, then you know that won't happen. That is not how terrorists operate. Never has been, never will.
Explanation:
That means that terrorists will not stand up, never have done, never will do.
Dennis said:
...maybe the few guilty will be punished without risking the innocent.
I replied:
If you know the first thing about terrorism, then you know that won't happen. That is not how terrorists operate. Never has been, never will.
Explanation:
Therefore, because terrorists will not stand up and keep from hiding behind innocents, you would not be able to punish the terrorists without risking the innocent.

Is that clear enough yet?

Dusty

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04-06-2011 02:01 PM  6 years agoPost 77
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Excuse me for interrupting,
That's quite alright.
but is this not the muslims solution?
Yes, that would appear to be the case.
Jones didnt kill any innocent people (he was merely excercising his right to express himself) the muslims did.
The discussion seems to have been diverted to what reaction might arise from another terrorist attack, ''like 9/11'' and the possible consequences of any such knee-jerk reaction as Dennis appears to be promoting.

Dusty

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04-06-2011 02:16 PM  6 years agoPost 78
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The discussion seems to have been diverted to what reaction might arise from another terrorist attack, ''like 9/11'' and the possible consequences of any such knee-jerk reaction as Dennis appears to be promoting.
The only knee-jerk reaction I would promote is self defense Dusty. Preferably before any damage is done. Is that knee-jerk? I don't think so. Its just self defense.

I did not divert this conversation. I was simply trying to answer your endless questions the best I can. You have many as expressed in another thread. Not sure if you are searching for answers for yourself, because you have none, or you are just acting stupid for your own entertainment value.
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If Radical Muslim hits us hard once again like they did on 9/11, then all of Muslim/Islam will suffer for that.

How exactly would you have ''all of Muslim/Islam suffer'' if killing innocent people was not what you meant?
That was taken completely out of context Dusty. The statement was meant that all of Muslim/Islam would suffer a further lack of trust on the world stage. Nice try.

Why would I promote the killing of innocent people?

Please, get real and try harder to follow along.

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04-06-2011 02:25 PM  6 years agoPost 79
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nothing to do with the fact that it's a very tiny minority we are talking about
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Did you see the tens of thousands dancing in the streets of muslim countries when 911 happened. Sure didn't look like a "tiny minority" to me.

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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04-06-2011 04:19 PM  6 years agoPost 80
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That was taken completely out of context Dusty.
Fair enough, I took it in context with your other statements:

This one:
I suppose if the idiot terrorists keep from hiding behind the innocents and stand up, maybe the few guilty will be punished without risking the innocent.
and this one:
They must be relentlessly killed before that happens.
So, since terrorists will not stand up and stop hiding behind innocents, how would you suggest they could be 'relentlessly killed' without killing many innocents? You say you don't support the idea of killing innocent people, but you can't do one without doing the other.

Here's something we can kind of agree upon:
Dennis said:
I am all for leaving them alone as long as they will leave us and our allies alone.
What constitutes us leaving them alone? shawmcky has already alluded to this. The U.S. and U.K. have a long history of doing more or less what they want in the Middle East. Because of this, from the terrorists' point of view, we started it, not them. So it's up to us to leave them alone, then they will have no reason to attack us.

Now, consider your idea of ''relentlessly killing them'' before any other attack may occur. Quite apart from the fact that you would have to kill many innocent people to even kill a few terrorists, how would you think that your idea looks to them? As far as they are concerned, they are the ones who are taking revenge, against oppression caused by western imperialism, as they see it. Further involvement in the Middle East will just look like more of the same, and give them more reason to want to take revenge.

It's no coincidence that Al Qaeda originates from Saudi Arabia, where the U.S. has airbases, and supports the Saudi armed forces to the tune of $1 billion per annum. Then think of all the other oppressive regimes we have supported over the last few decades, all so that 'our' Arabs can rule over other Arabs. Of course, which ones we decide to support might change at any given time, as history has shown. No wonder they feel nervous.

Pull everything out of the Middle East, including all support for all regimes/dictators/governments, in the Middle East, including Israel, and the terrorists will have got what they want.

Is that likely to happen? Well I think we both know the answer to that one. As far as finding a solution goes, that won't be easy. It took the U.K. government 3 decades to find a solution to the IRA terrorist problem, and as you say, the scale of the current problem is much bigger. The first step to take, is to know your enemy. That includes knowing what they actually want, and acknowledging their reasons for wanting it.

One thing to consider though is the recent trend of popular uprisings, against such oppressive regimes. These uprisings themselves have done more to overthrow oppressive regimes than any terrorist action has. The more of this that there is, the less credence the terrorists will have, since they haven't managed to make a positive difference to the middle east thus far. So you never know, the problem might sort itself out at least for the most part. The last thing we should be doing however, is aggravating it.

Dusty

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