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HelicopterRadio - Futaba FASST › R6103SB, CGY750 and Switchglow
04-06-2011 04:12 AM  6 years agoPost 21
Wyorcflyer

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I have to ask, but does the packet ordering really matter? We aren't driving CCPM servos directly anymore.
Good point!

The transmitter just tells the 750 to, for instance, give me some pitch. It is the 750 that decides what command to give to which servo or servos. Therefore "combination" commands directed to two or three servos to get the desired result are no longer being transmitted because the transmitter is in H-1 mode.

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04-06-2011 04:56 AM  6 years agoPost 22
Dr.Ben

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Yes, but you still want the info to be in the same data stream because cyclic and pitch commands are constantly being blended by yours hands as one for fine control. Consider if you want a command to correct the model to go forward and right, effectively towards the top right corner of the gimbal. When you input the needed mix of roll and pitch, you'll want them both to get to the swashplate at the same time. This would be the case for a mCCPM model with no processing occurring as takes place for eCCPM. In my mind, you still want the primary commands from the transmitter that the eCCPM processor mixes within the amp to reach it at the same time to yield the smoothest control.

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04-06-2011 05:15 AM  6 years agoPost 23
Wyorcflyer

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Dr. Ben: Fair enough. Not sure my hands are fast enough compared to the electronic response time to matter but every little bit helps.

I notice the default setting for Fast Multi 120 and 140 is to have Ail, Elev, Pitch and Rudder in the first packet. That would support Ben's point.

As such maybe the best setup to free up one of the lower channels is to put those 4 functions in the second packet, i.e. 5-8 to allow for the hand blending Ben is referring to. That presumes the TM-14 manual is correct and we are dealing with packets of 4.

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04-06-2011 06:10 AM  6 years agoPost 24
Dr.Ben

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I'll let y'all know what the factory says as soon as I hear.

Regardless of what we may or may not be able to feel, I just want to tell everyone the best and most correct way to do it.

If FASST groups in 4's, then the pit and cyclics on 2,3,and 4 will be fine.

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04-07-2011 01:52 AM  6 years agoPost 25
Dr.Ben

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OK,

Given the PWM slots we have to work with in the 6203SB receiver, slot 1 will be the best option for the Switchglow. 2,3,and 4 for the cyclics will maintain the FAAST grouping in sets of four.

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04-07-2011 01:57 AM  6 years agoPost 26
ssmith512

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Thanks Dr. Ben for taking the time to get the correct information to us. I, and am sure the rest of us, do appreciate it.

Steve

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04-07-2011 02:04 AM  6 years agoPost 27
rtnaviman

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Thanks for the info Dr. Ben,

I being a Nooob, what channel of the RX do I plug the Switchglow Pro into ?. Or do I set it up in the CGY 750 box, if so how.

Thanks

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04-07-2011 03:37 AM  6 years agoPost 28
Dr.Ben

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You'll plug it into slot 1 and assign one of your extra channels to it via the function menu in the transmitter. NONE of this is occurring in the 750 amp. After you get it set up there in the transmitter, THEN you'll need to go to the S.Bus menu in the 750 and match the S.Bus channels for the given functions (cyclics, gains, and so forth)to their corresponding channel as indicated on the function menu's screen. THE S.Bus channel number will often be DIFFERENT from the transmitter's channel number to which that function has been assigned.

Regardless of what function you assign to that channel, channel 1 is always channel 1, the first of the four channels in the first packet of information.

Make sense to you?

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04-07-2011 04:14 AM  6 years agoPost 29
Wyorcflyer

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Ben:

Please comment on the following.

Both the H-1 and H-3 default FASST Multi settings in the 12FGH keep ail, ele, pitch, and rudder in the same packet. Just as you said we are hand blending all four of those stick movements as we fly, which is presumably the reason Futaba keeps them in one packet.

Here is the default structure. The gaps are to show the packets.

1 Ail
2 Ele
3 Pit
4 Rud

5 GY(Rud)
6 Throttle
7 Gov
8 Gov2

9 NDL
10 GY2
11 GY3
12 Aux1

If seemed to me that we could come close to preserving the packets and in the case of gy(rud) its relationship to the Rud channel, and simply reorder the packets. I therefore came up with this.

1 Aux1 (for Switchglow or Modelguard etc.)
2 Throttle
3 Gov
4 Gov2

5 Ail
6 Ele
7 Pit
8 Rud

9 GY(Rud)
10 GY2
11 GY3
12 NDL

Comments welcome.

Jack

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04-07-2011 05:36 AM  6 years agoPost 30
Dr.Ben

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Jack,

Things are never as simple as I would like. The next question I have asked is whether the ALL the S.Bus channels transmit in high speed mode when the receiver is set to the same or is is just the first 6 as is the case when the usual PWM slots are used with a 6208SB, 6008HS, etc. If that's the case, then using the second packet is not going to be ideal.

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04-09-2011 03:22 AM  6 years agoPost 31
rtnaviman

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How would you setup the switch assignment for a 12FG, this is in reference to "Wyorcfler" setup instruction.

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04-10-2011 01:37 AM  6 years agoPost 32
heavyload699

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I just plug my switch and glow in channel 8 on the 6108

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04-10-2011 01:57 AM  6 years agoPost 33
Dr.Ben

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No problem there. The 6203SB has to be handled differently because it only has 3 PWM slots 1-3. There's no PWM slot for ch8.

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04-12-2011 06:58 PM  6 years agoPost 34
Knud Pedersen

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From Futaba's Facebook site
Are you flying with a CGY750 3-Axis system and the R6203SB receiver? Would you like to use a SwitchGlo unit with it? Here are some great tips from Team Futaba member Bobby Watts on how to accomplish that!

Futaba's CGY750 has shipped and guys are flying it, I figured Id post some info regarding the R6023SB Receiver and how to incorporate it with your SwitchGlo. Since it only has 3 usable ports, a bit of channel re-mapping is required. This will allow you to use your SwitchGlo as intended with a designated switch. Not too difficult, so here we go:

1) Plug your SwitchGlo into Channel 3 of the R6023SB receiver port.

2) Go to the Function menu in your radio and move channel 3 from Throttle to Auxiliary 3. (Any Aux Channel will work, but anything from Aux 3-8 is safe). Aux 3 is now your SwitchGlo channel, so assign it to your desired switch.

3) Move Throttle to Channel 12 in the Function menu.

4) Now turn on your CGY 750 and go into the SBUS Menu. Change Ch3 (Throttle) to Channel 12.

5) Ensure everything is working properly and go fly!!

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04-18-2011 09:21 PM  6 years agoPost 35
Knud Pedersen

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FYI,
im using the 14mz (2.4ghz) and to get the swashservos into the same group, this i how my S.bus settings are:

1 AIL
2 ELE
3 Swithglow
4 PIT

5 RUD
6 THR
7 RPM (GOV)
8 GVS (Gov on/off)

9 RGn
10 EGn
11 AGn

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04-27-2011 01:37 AM  6 years agoPost 36
rtnaviman

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[quote]FYI,
im using the 14mz (2.4ghz) and to get the swashservos into the same group, this i how my S.bus settings are:

1 AIL
2 ELE
3 Swithglow
4 PIT

5 RUD
6 THR
7 RPM (GOV)
8 GVS (Gov on/off)

9 RGn
10 EGn
11 AGn

Has anyone tried this setup yet, if so please post your thoughts.

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04-27-2011 04:28 AM  6 years agoPost 37
Phaedrus

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Duplicate info

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06-20-2011 11:50 PM  6 years agoPost 38
rtnaviman

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Looking for feed back has anyone tried Knud Perersen setup yet ?. Please do post your thoughts. I want to setup my 12FGH for SwitchGlo Pro use.

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06-21-2011 11:18 AM  6 years agoPost 39
Knud Pedersen

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Looking for feed back has anyone tried Knud Perersen setup yet ?
I fly with that setup, it works without any problme
1 AIL
2 ELE
3 Swithglow
4 PIT

5 RUD
6 THR
7 RPM (GOV)
8 GVS (Gov on/off)

9 RGn
10 EGn
11 AGn
Not sure if Dr. Ben ever wrote or got a answer from Futaba about:
Things are never as simple as I would like. The next question I have asked is whether the ALL the S.Bus channels transmit in high speed mode when the receiver is set to the same or is is just the first 6 as is the case when the usual PWM slots are used with a 6208SB, 6008HS, etc. If that's the case, then using the second packet is not going to be ideal.

Ben

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06-22-2011 09:25 PM  6 years agoPost 40
hookmaker

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I now use the same packet except no switch glo - I run my jive ESC THR out of ch. 3 - slot 3 on the Rx.

Henrik

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