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04-06-2011 02:07 AM  6 years agoPost 121
Ghostrider

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Brian and MA, please ignore the negativity posted here on RR. People complained for years that MA was way too complicated with far too many parts; however they never argued the fact that MA models had the highest quality and arguably the best flying heli's of its time.

Now.... MA actually listened to its customers in bringing out this new line of helicopters that are arguably the most simple in design with extremely low parts count with all the quality that we have all admired with MA models. Yet people like Wave complain. I just don't understand it!

I think this new approach and business model that MA has adopted with its straightforward designs, low parts count, while keeping the high quality and exceptional flying characteristics is nothing less than outstanding!

As far as cost goes, I don’t believe these models are designed to compete with Align or some of the other budget models in a price war but what they do offer are competitive overall value of ownership. I never truly understood this until I owned both Align and MA products at the same time. I have hundreds of flights on my Fury 55 and Furion 6 and have yet to replace anything other than one worn belt. With my Align helicopters, that is a different story. For me, the annual "cost of ownership" over a one year period is less with my MA models than with my Align models and that is a fact my friends!

Once this new model is available, I will retire my other 90's and will be flying MA models exclusively. The Fury 55 and the Furion 6 have impressed me beyond my expectations and I am confident the new 90 will be no different.

I personally have not been this excited about a new model in years. Congratulations to you Brian and the MA staff!

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04-06-2011 02:08 AM  6 years agoPost 122
cbaquol

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Brian, We have allready discussed how the "made in America" argument is lame at best.
Please elaborate? How is paying hard working americans for a top quality product "lame at best?" That is rediculous. If you dont want it dont buy it, plain and simple, take your money and send it to china.

Baltimore Boyz

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04-06-2011 03:20 AM  6 years agoPost 123
chopper63

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"Brian and MA, please ignore the negativity posted here on RR. People complained for years that MA was way too complicated with far too many parts; however they never argued the fact that MA models had the highest quality and arguably the best flying heli's of its time."

Exactly ... I learning of this for the first time this year and that is why I'm all MA.

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04-06-2011 03:41 AM  6 years agoPost 124
Carey Shurley

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If MA wants to compete in the simple design catagory with the likes of Align then they need to start pricing in a similar fashion.
I'm always amazed at just how quickly the MA bashers come out when they introduce a new product. This has gone on for almost as long as the forums have existed.

When MA brings out a new model its always something like:
  1. don't like the way it looks
  2. costs too much
  3. the canopy is painted
  4. the canopy is not painted
  5. the canopy is plastic
  6. the canopy is not plastic
  7. its anodized black
  8. its anodized silver
  9. too many parts
  10. not enough parts
  11. and on and on and on
I don't really understand why either. Other mfgrs helicopters can explode in the air, parts break in the air, parts fall off, etc and everybody just laughs and goes and buys more parts.

The Xcell pilots just keep flying their models.

I have rarely seen as much focus on other mfgrs models out there so part of me wants to think that its just flattery in a different form. You can't argue over the quality of the product, and their stuff runs forever with little or no maintenance (at least until you crash it) and even then its very durable in terms of what you'll need to replace.

In this case they are getting bashed over something that isn't even completely finished yet or for sale and has been co-designed by one of the best model helicopter pilots in the world (and both designers are engineering graduates)

You want the cheapest helicopter made? I've seen some chinese models for under $200. I'm sure they are perfect designs, run flawlessly and you can just pick up the phone and get support from the designer/manufacturer........

If you're not flying a gasoline helicopter
You're paying 10 times too much for fuel!!

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04-06-2011 03:56 AM  6 years agoPost 125
laddy

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Carey you forgot the "tail rotor is on the wrong side". I know this is on this thread some place already.

Texas

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04-06-2011 03:59 AM  6 years agoPost 126
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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That was me. The tail is definitely on the wrong side for a MinAir.

...but I think I can handle it.

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04-06-2011 06:14 AM  6 years agoPost 127
Eric L

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Minnesota

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ima buy one the second they get released, i have never had a problem with MA products and have no reason to go against them in any way....i will continue to contribute as much as i can to products made in the USA and products that have cuustomer service to back them up...MA has both at a very high level

for all the people talking negatively about it, why are you even in the miniature aircraft area of this forum?!?

Team KingKongHobbies.com-----Team Synergy

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04-06-2011 11:40 AM  6 years agoPost 128
gorn

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Western Australia

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I have the answer.....

HELICOPTER ENVY!!

example:
I have a cheap rubbish POS, and I WILL convince myself its awesome, by complaining as loud as I can about the more high end helis, and how they cannot be any better.

Hillbillies, cant take em anywhere

For the love of the hobby

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04-06-2011 02:13 PM  6 years agoPost 129
rich m

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Stroudsburg, PA. USA

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To most of you in this forum I apologize for what I am about to say. This comment is directed at a few misinformed people.

I do not understand why the need to post negatively about a product that you have only seen a few pictures of. You are not doing anyone any favors. I think it would be impossible to tell the quality and flight charicteristics of a machine simply from a picture. Many of us think that MA is and has been producing a machine of superior quality backed by superior customer service.

If you do not feel this way, that is fine everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Why you feel the need to attack a company publicly about a product that has not been released is unknown to me. I have owned many helicopters including Align and the Aurora. All I will say is that you get what you pay for.

On that note I would like to say that I applaude MA for the excellent machines that they produce and the great customer service they give. If you do not wish to have either of these things from them, by all means go buy another heli. For me, I am an MA customer as long as they are building helis.

Team Heli Wholesaler

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04-06-2011 02:30 PM  6 years agoPost 130
[X]Outlaw

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Trinidad and Tobago

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I've been flying MA for the last two years and every time I had a question I could pick up the phone and call Jeff up. They are always friendly and willing to help.

When you talk to MA staff I get the same feeling of passion from them for the hobby that I have. Owning a MA ship really makes you feel like you're part of the MA family..at least for me.

I've owned other high quality models such as the JR Vibe 50 which I still fly today and probably will be flying for years to come...however I can't call up someone in JR if I have any questions.

Even when I was doing my Spectra electric conversion Jeff was helpful in giving me all the info I needed such as part dimension over the phone. There are only a few companies that give that kind of support.

Plus MA stuff is built to last!! Everything is robust and their machining is also so beautiful! Another plus is they support even their oldest models.

So even though they are priced higher than other models you can be rest assured in years to come you could still get parts for them.

Once MA keeps up everything I posted above, I'm going to be fling their models for a very very long time!

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04-06-2011 02:34 PM  6 years agoPost 131
rich m

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[quote]If the Whiplash is a penny over $775 (considering its ultra simple low parts count design then even that is pricey ), Then I will definately buy the Kasama.[quote]

Haha! So if it's more than $775 you will go out and buy the $1000 model. I think you may be paying for quality, innovation, customer support and flight quality at MA.

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04-06-2011 03:29 PM  6 years agoPost 132
BisonFlyer

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Winter Garden, FL

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Not to beat a dead horse since my feelings are reflected in the responses by many others on here already, but I'd just encourage anyone who somehow formed negative impressions from a few pictures that were posted to wait until they at least see the model in person before deciding whether or not it is for them.

It is without question a departure from the earlier MA days with regard to the design philosophy. This should not be confused with being aimed at a lower end of the market or to become cheaper to produce. Having fewer parts does not automatically make the heli cheaper to produce. A few intricately machined parts quickly make up the cost difference of extra carbon plates/supports bolted to a frame that contributed to the high parts count of older MA helis (Stratus for example). Look at the tail of the Stratus compared to that of Whiplash. The parts count is probably along the lines of 5 to 1 in favor of fewer parts for the Whiplash. Machining one solid tail case that eliminates the very high parts count of older models could easily make the tail more expensive, but also makes it far simpler and easier to maintain/own.

Ease of maintenance and enjoyment of ownership was the driving principal beyond the design of Whiplash. EVERY single aspect of it was designed with that goal in mind. The driving factor was not to create a cheap helicopter. The market is already flooded with choices if that's what a certain customer wants. They have their place and help a lot of people access our hobby that might otherwise not be able to. These customers are concerned with cheapest initial cost and not value over the product's lifespan so they go for the cheap imports.

Whiplash has far fewer parts than previous MA 90s, will be much less maintenance to own and keep in the air, but that does not correlate to lower production costs. It just means we will all have a badass new 90 that is of the same Min Air quality materials and fit/finish that we love, but also FAR easier/less expensive to fix.

I personally love the fact that when I introduce Whiplash to the dirt, I'll be able to have it fixed and flying again as fast as any machine on the market. This could never have been said for older MA 90s. I think the vast majority of the pilots will really appreciate this re-focused design philosophy applying to a high quality kit. Unfortunately you can't please everyone with a single machine though.

Art Hughes
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04-06-2011 04:14 PM  6 years agoPost 133
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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Anyone have a pic of the canopy yet?

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04-06-2011 04:17 PM  6 years agoPost 134
BisonFlyer

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The canopy is being made right now so no actual photos of it exist outside of the renderings. There should be some real photos of it mounted on Whiplash very soon.

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04-06-2011 04:17 PM  6 years agoPost 135
rich m

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Stroudsburg, PA. USA

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Well said Art!
I personally love the fact that when I introduce Whiplash to the dirt, I'll be able to have it fixed and flying again as fast as any machine on the market.
We might have to test our 1 hour or less repair times on the Whiplash like we did with the Fury55 Coming to a funfly near you!

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04-06-2011 04:17 PM  6 years agoPost 136
Carey Shurley

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if by that you mean the Canomod painted canopy, not done yet

the shape is as you see.

If you're not flying a gasoline helicopter
You're paying 10 times too much for fuel!!

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04-06-2011 04:28 PM  6 years agoPost 137
BisonFlyer

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That's a foregone conclusion Rich. I'm sure we will have that demo sooner rather than later, hahah.

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04-06-2011 04:28 PM  6 years agoPost 138
BisonFlyer

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and wasn't it 20 minute or less?

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04-06-2011 05:00 PM  6 years agoPost 139
rich m

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It was 20 minutes or less with the exception of your crash at the Heli Invasion. That one was an hour, but considering what we replaced it was very impressive!

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04-06-2011 05:07 PM  6 years agoPost 140
BisonFlyer

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ahh right... the invasion one took out the servo gears so that killed our timeline since i had to remix the ccpm head (yea yea i actually do the full mixing over anytime i touch a servo)

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