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04-05-2011 03:47 AM  6 years agoPost 101
Individual1

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Whiplash

It should be called the Uglylash.

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04-05-2011 03:54 AM  6 years agoPost 102
Band1086

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OH, come on now!...

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04-05-2011 05:24 AM  6 years agoPost 103
zoomtt

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People buy helis for the frame looks? A nice canopy will cover everything up anyways.

If I wanted a good looking naked heli, I would get the Kasama Srimok. Just do not crash it and try to get parts The Kasama guys know what I am talking about.

I think the Logo is not that good looking either naked. but slap that canopy on and it is the best looking ship in my lineup.

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04-05-2011 06:51 PM  6 years agoPost 104
Tony Whiteside

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up align a$s!! lol, freakin 1902 walkie talkie slow a$s heli, good but slow!!

i want to play with this ma 90n my self, if compass does not get one i will be flying this until then, i did a interveiw with bobby at the toledo show, it on my facebook, i even did a close up on the new style bearing booy did to his new heli9 go check it out, its nice and i think it will be crazy lite.l

im so happy to see a new nitro 90!! worth having and i think this could be it at this time.

but go to facebook and check it, nice guys

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04-05-2011 07:06 PM  6 years agoPost 105
Knud Pedersen

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Great vidoes on FB, Tony!!!

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04-05-2011 07:40 PM  6 years agoPost 106
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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up align a$s!! lol, freakin 1902 walkie talkie slow a$s heli, good but slow!!
Funny quote, Tony.

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04-05-2011 10:29 PM  6 years agoPost 107
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If I wanted a good looking naked heli, I would get the Kasama Srimok. Just do not crash it and try to get parts The Kasama guys know what I am talking about.
Actually a lot of guys want a good looking quality heli that displays design passion and an attention to detail.

If the Whiplash is a penny over $775 (considering its ultra simple low parts count design then even that is pricey ), Then I will definately buy the Kasama.

Oh yeah...the Srimok parts are in stock at HeliDirect.

If MA wants to compete in the simple design catagory with the likes of Align then they need to start pricing in a similar fashion.

I myself was hoping for a heli that displayed design passion and an attention to detail.

...at this point the Srimok 90E is looking very very attractive.

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04-05-2011 11:16 PM  6 years agoPost 108
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Actually a lot of guys want a good looking quality heli that displays design passion and an attention to detail.

If the Whiplash is a penny over $775 (considering its ultra simple low parts count design then even that is pricey ), Then I will definately buy the Kasama.

Oh yeah...the Srimok parts are in stock at HeliDirect.

If MA wants to compete in the simple design catagory with the likes of Align then they need to start pricing in a similar fashion.

I myself was hoping for a heli that displayed design passion and an attention to detail.

...at this point the Srimok 90E is looking very very attractive.
In that case you'd probably be better off buying a Srimok, because the Whiplash is going to cost more than $775. The majority of the parts for our models are made in the U.S. by Americans. (all machined parts are made in the U.S.) and as such the pricing reflects that. We have simplified the designs on our latest models, which helps with pricing, but we will likely always be a little more expensive than the "imports".

We feel we would be doing a dis-service to all of our loyal customers who appreciate a high quality American made product to outsource the entire model for inexpensive labor. That is not what Miniature Aircraft USA is about.

I understand in this forum there is a degree of freedom of speech and expression, but I cannot see how the multiple negative comments directed at our Whiplash models is productive to anyone. If the Whiplash doesn't fit your personal criteria for ownership, that's ok, there are other brands available as you've mentioned several times in your comparisons. Personally, I think it would be boring if everyone flew an X-Cell helicopter. I like seeing some variety at the funflies I attend.

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04-05-2011 11:36 PM  6 years agoPost 109
Band1086

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+1...........but please not too expensive

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04-05-2011 11:48 PM  6 years agoPost 110
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Brian, We have allready discussed how the "made in America" argument is lame at best.

If you want to compete in the global marketplace then you need to run a business that is capable of doing so. This means embracing a lean manufacturing methodology as well as proactive, forward thing management ( as I have told you before in a PM ).

In the past MA held a leadership position because they were able to captivate there customers with passionate and innovative designs. This was effectively there niche. Certainly the designs could have used some part count reduction, but not a radical chage in design philosophy which effectively removes them from there niche and puts them directly in the path of Align.

What you have with the Whiplash is a design that is similar to the Asian stuff ( yet going to be priced substantially higher )....but "MADE IN AMERICA"...ok so.

I own 2 MA helis so I am hardly anti MA, but your constant MADE IN AMERICA argument in different forums is getting old QUICK.

Get with the program and find a real identity for Miniature Aircraft USA, so we will WANT to buy your product.

2c

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04-05-2011 11:56 PM  6 years agoPost 111
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Oh yeah....There is no doubt in my mind that Mr. Kasama was greatly influenced by the passionate designs of the old Miniature Aircraft USA.

I bet he is scratching his head as well, as he says "oh well more money for me "

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04-06-2011 12:03 AM  6 years agoPost 112
Band1086

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)....but "MADE IN AMERICA"...ok so.
Regardless, it does make a difference in manufacturing costs, nobody can deny that. There are some pretty cool innovations on the Whiplash like direct servo to swash connection(on a 700...unusual), etc. I for one am anxious to see what it weighs. Also, the parts will be higher quality than Aligns ect. But the real test will be how well it flies!
Come on MA!

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04-06-2011 12:08 AM  6 years agoPost 113
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Reading this thread is pissing me off!

First of all most here are commenting image heli that they've not only not seen, but also haven't been made aware of all the design features and innovations. M.A. has a well known superior reputation that I do not understand why any of the nay sayers have the nerve to comment negatively on this heli.
For those of us who's survival is based on the US economy, I'de much rather purchase the made in the USA product. Comparing any Miniature Aircraft to Align (and I own and have owned many Align helis) is an insult and can be liked to comparing a Corvette to a Hyundai.....??? No brainer.
Lastly, if you don't like this heli, then go post in the thread of your preferred heli. I do believe Align is coming out with a new 600. However, I have not even looked at their forum.
Don't come here posting your negativity based on your lack of personal exposure to this heli.

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04-06-2011 12:14 AM  6 years agoPost 114
RappyTappy

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I went back using the wayback machine to heliproz website back in 2001.

A Fury 60 expert could be had for $659.99. You had that option and if you wanted more high brow you could go for a 99SE for S1,129.99. In less than a years time since its release, the Fury absolutely dominated the flying fields across the country, the SE was just here and there. The Fury flew well, but the price was the key to the sales and dominance. Price is very very important in this industry. I think that a kit priced $725 versus one at $699 is a giant difference to most hobbyist. Just my .02

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04-06-2011 12:20 AM  6 years agoPost 115
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How do we find that video on facebook?

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04-06-2011 12:22 AM  6 years agoPost 116
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Just a couple factual non-negative comments.
1. Avant is in the $800 and less category, so American made doesn't have to be outrageously priced if done right.
2. In order for the U.S. economy to achieve maximum benefit from manufacturing, it is more important that the product be exported and bring overseas dollars into the U.S., it's always good to slow the flow of $$ out of the U.S., but that doesn't bring the "Most" benefit.

I like MA's strategy as was declared recently in another post and is evident in th Fury & Furion, and I'm sure the Whiplash as more is known about it. Keep it up!

Flying $uck$...All of the money out of my bank account!

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04-06-2011 12:46 AM  6 years agoPost 117
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I for one am excited about this model for the reason I have already stated. I have decided that this will be my next build, regardless of price (price does matter to me, I dont have a lot of disposable income, but quality, along with company support (parts availablity and the desire to help solve problems when they arise) is MUCH MUCH more of a concern of mine.) Min Air has always displayed those qualities.

MinAirUSA, just keep doing what you are doing, because it has obviously worked so far. Remember that you cant please everyone all of the time, and also remember that just because you lead the horse to water doesnt mean you can make him drink. Over the years I have found that most negativity towards anything is a result of jealousy or remorse.

Steve

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04-06-2011 01:19 AM  6 years agoPost 118
Taipan

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Does MinAirUSA have an automated factory like Avant has to bring down costs??

It sounds to me that MA is a small family run hands on factory, much like Henseleit but with more employees. The biggest pro is obviously more attention to detail & quality than the biggest companies!

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04-06-2011 01:37 AM  6 years agoPost 119
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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The last time I picked up the phone to call up Mr. Align and ask him for some help with my Trex ........ oh yeah--almost forgot. There is no Mr. Align to call up. But I can pick up the phone and call Brian or Jeff and get advice on my MinAir heli and talk to them about what's going on in the world.

What is the price someone is willing to pay for some decent customer service? Got to hand it to Miniature Aircraft when it comes to customer service--there really are some benefits to working with a small company.

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04-06-2011 01:41 AM  6 years agoPost 120
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Wave

Hahahahaha helidirect does not even have the parts for a kasama crash kit, no spindle shaft, no tail spindle shaft, one main shaft, etc. Essentially, all the parts you need in a crash they do not have.

unless you are buying the kasama to proudly display at your field, then you should be worried about parts availability. Trust me, I fly with the Kasama Rep for Socal. He himself cannot get parts for his crashed Srimoks.

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