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04-07-2011 11:03 PM  6 years agoPost 21
co_rotorhead

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Centennial, CO, USA

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Agreed. The Jive just work.
For $400-$550, they'd better.

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04-07-2011 11:26 PM  6 years agoPost 22
Wingman77

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yea, i would love to have a jive but if castle has there 120 issues fixed with this latest update then I will be forced to go with them as I have a $50 off card and that brings it down to just over $100... I am a poor college student so the big money jive is not really even an option.

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04-18-2011 03:41 PM  6 years agoPost 23
OT45

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My Ice 50 burnt up the other day! Had only around 6 flights on it. Landed after 4 minutes, did a spool up and smoke poured out of it.

My other Ice 50 works fine. Same setups between both.

The burnt one has a different heatsink. Its split.
The good one appears to be made from one extrusion not two.
Castle tells me they should have the same heatsink!??

Those of you with burnt up ice50s, are the heat sinks one unit or 2 parts?

Sure makes me look into other options for my fusion 50!

scratch building is not just for planks

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04-18-2011 05:35 PM  6 years agoPost 24
Ejeremy

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Bourbonnais,IL

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Fusion 50 and a CC Ice 50? 600mm main blades?

Seems to me you need a bigger esc...What are you running from a bec?

Look at the recommended esc.

http://www.helidirect.com/outrage-f...kit-p-21773.hdx

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04-18-2011 06:27 PM  6 years agoPost 25
OT45

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LOL, I forgot to mention the ice50 is on my trex 450.

I was looking at getting a Castle 80 HV for the fusion. But I may have to look into other brands...

scratch building is not just for planks

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04-18-2011 06:41 PM  6 years agoPost 26
Ejeremy

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Ah ok that sounds much better....

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04-18-2011 10:35 PM  6 years agoPost 27
Richardmid1

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My ICE 80HV burned up after about 30 flights.

I put it down to what I call the 'Align failure factor'. Because of the explosion of large electric heli kits, conversions and the Trex 700E coming onto the market, where do you go for a reasonably priced ESC? Castle Creations, right?.

In other words, lots and lots are sold as is Align stuff, therefore you will hear about more failures, you never hear about all the thousands of satisfied customers, just the bad bits!

The actual failure percentage to the numbers sold is probably very small.

Lets say both Castle and Kontronik ESC's have a 0.1% failure rate, lets say there are 1000 Kontronik ESC's sold to 10,000 Castle ESC's, 1 Kontronik failure to 10 Castle failures, thats still 9,990 Castle ESC's without failure and 999 Kontronik ESC's without failure.

(please note these are not facts and I can't back any of it up im just making a point based on personal experience)

60% of the time, it works every time!

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04-19-2011 12:00 AM  6 years agoPost 28
NOLONGERFLYING

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Deffinetly not a 1 to 1 failure rate even if you compare 10k units to 1k units, but hey without the full facts of how many units exist, no one knows. You are correct on the note that only negative stuff is heard. When is the last real time you have heard about a jive going up in smoke though? Castle is getting better...although once again the saying "you get what you pay for" comes into play. Of course the Jive has more markup probably for multiple reasons, better rep., conversion rate, etc. also I would tend to believe it has better componenets and software involved as well, but as you stated I can't prove that either. I know what I like as well as do others and just stick with what you feel comfortable with and your pocket books can handle. I gurantee if caste didn't replace each of there failed esc you have heard about there would be far less users as well?

Honestly there are more options then castle probably that are at a better price point then the jives as well now, esp. with governors being introduced into flybarless units. I might dump my jives eventually due to this, that is to be seen how things evolve.

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04-19-2011 01:02 AM  6 years agoPost 29
ESWLFSE

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When is the last real time you have heard about a jive going up in smoke though?
True, but what is the ratio of Castle/Jive sales? 100:1??

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04-19-2011 01:06 AM  6 years agoPost 30
Wingman77

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still though Jive ESC's are better quality, I don't think anyone denies that. it is just that they are so expensive, I am building a e90 soon and I can't even consider the jive because I don't have $600 for an esc.

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04-19-2011 10:54 AM  6 years agoPost 31
Richardmid1

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I think all the latest 80 and 120 ICE HV's will be fine.

60% of the time, it works every time!

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04-19-2011 10:59 AM  6 years agoPost 32
Heliguychris

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Perth, West​Australia

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Another factor to consider is that the cheaper ESC`s are usally the ones that the less experienced guys go for, and the jives are more prolific amoungst the more experienced folks.

Less exp`ed guys make more setup errors for example.

Ive had both fail.

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04-19-2011 12:25 PM  6 years agoPost 33
Ronald Thomas

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It really HOW the Castles fail that gets people attention. When the CC BEC fails, it either sends full pack voltage (up to 50V :eek to the electronics, or parts fall off of it When the ESCs fail, they tend to go up 1n flames.
BTW you don't NEED a Jive 120 on a 90 sized electric if you are going 12s. I ran my E-Aurora on a Jive 80HV with a heatsink here in super hot FL and never a thermal issue

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04-19-2011 01:07 PM  6 years agoPost 34
Richardmid1

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Another factor to consider is that the cheaper ESC`s are usally the ones that the less experienced guys go for, and the jives are more prolific amoungst the more experienced folks.
Bingo.

I also agree that an 80HV is fine on an e90.

60% of the time, it works every time!

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05-04-2011 06:02 PM  6 years agoPost 35
michael88997

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well just had my ice 50 on a mini protos die... luckily no flames but did shoot a big puff of magic smoke

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05-18-2011 01:48 AM  6 years agoPost 36
Stephen Born

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USA

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Castle Creations sells thousands of esc every year. They work just fine. Noone is going to complain when something works. The only bad publicity you hear about is the few that don't work. I'll fly a CC esc any day of the week.

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05-18-2011 02:37 AM  6 years agoPost 37
Solmanbandit

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Tucson , AZ

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Here is a question for y'all. For those who have experience fires or have seen them, here are a few questions.

1. Was an external BEC being used?

2. Was a receiver battery being used with an external BEC?

On the big birds, it says to not use the onboard BEC if you are running lipo's. Also if you are running 6 - 12S systems, that is a lot of power for the BEC to handle unless you are using a receiver battery. I have a 600 and I decided to run a 2s receiver battery to power my servos for a couple of different reasons.

Trex 700E / Trex 500 ESP - Ikon/ HD 500 - Ikon 2/ Goblin 500 Ikon 2

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05-18-2011 02:41 AM  6 years agoPost 38
Ronald Thomas

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On my two CC85s that croaked, there was an external BEC as the CC85 does not have an internal one. I DO use the internal BEC with my Jive ESCs....I do trust it up to 12s all day long on .90 sized $3000+ helis ........Ron

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05-21-2011 11:25 AM  6 years agoPost 39
2low

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elkview,WV

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Still running the old style cc120 in my 700e and has worked perfect as well as a new style(green case) ice 75 with no problems in my 500.

Got to have my cup of heli in the morning.

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05-21-2011 07:39 PM  6 years agoPost 40
RCHSF

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NC

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I believe a lot of people who have failures on these esc's, it's mainly because they are trying to get more out of a esc/amp wise than it was designed for. If your car can only do 80mph to the floor, then don't expect it to do 120mph. And when it fails to do so, say they are no good. You know who you are. Stop that, you can't put 2,000lbs on a mules back and expect him to climb the side of a mountain.

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