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12-16-2003 12:25 PM  13 years agoPost 121
diZeaZed

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I was going to do mine that way, but found that it's a bit heavy. The way I did it is pretty light and very strong. The one that you show I think looks more scale because you can use the stock plastic as a cover. Both will work, I think its just personal preference. Just be cautious of adding too much weight.
Jojo

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12-17-2003 01:55 AM  13 years agoPost 122
Falcon50SS

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I am hoping that weight won't be a problem with an Enya 50 powering it.

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12-17-2003 10:25 AM  13 years agoPost 123
spitflier

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I'm new to helicopters but for me and R/C scale is everything. I have been trying to find a Little Bird but have found all the ideas from the posts dead ends they are out of stock or not listed at all. Anyone have any other ideas I'm keeping an eye on ebay but was hoping to not have to bid on one

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12-17-2003 12:33 PM  13 years agoPost 124
diZeaZed

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Spitflier
Have you looked here?
http://www.21stcenturytoys.com/results.asp
I don't know if they are out of stock or not, but it might be a place to start.

Falcon
Enya 50? Holy sh$t! You won't have any problems! Cool man!
Jojo

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12-17-2003 09:07 PM  13 years agoPost 125
Heli143

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spitflier,
I have bought three of them ( 2 little birds and one fire) from ToysRus that were on display. I just asked the manager and they sold them to me. The last two I bought was the fire and one little bird for $35.00 each WITH pilots. can't beat that I don't think. so far I have seen 3 - 4 in different stores on display.
good luck.

Roy Mayoral

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12-17-2003 09:45 PM  13 years agoPost 126
ThBrtmn

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so far I have seen 3 - 4 in different stores on display
Recently?...
I looked here locally and they had them hanging from the ceiling but didnt have em on the shelf?

~BART~

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12-18-2003 04:07 AM  13 years agoPost 127
Falcon50SS

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Hey diZeaZed could you make more of those 4 bladed rotor heads? If so what would you charge?

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12-18-2003 04:32 AM  13 years agoPost 128
Falcon50SS

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spitflier

You can find them at :

http://www.badcataviation.com/16thscahlibi.html

and

http://www.badcataviation.com/21cetohe.html

21st Century Toys is still selling the police heli, but nothing else. I searched their web site and found a place that is selling them with a pilot! Good luck finding what you want.

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12-18-2003 12:25 PM  13 years agoPost 129
diZeaZed

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Falcon
I'd love to make a bunch of them, and if I did, they would be pretty cheap, but I havent got it working well yet. The mechanics of it work great, but I havent figured out how to phase it correctly. I had it hovering pretty good, but in FF it pulled hard to the left. So I made some changes to the linkages and the washout pin locations, now it's uncontrollable in a hover. I'll work on it some more though, and let you know.
If I can get it happy, I'd be happy to send you the drawings and you could make it yourself if you prefer.
I'll keep in touch.
Jojo

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12-18-2003 12:49 PM  13 years agoPost 130
Heli143

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Bart,
I am in Phenix City, across the river from Columbus, GA.
So far every store I have been to has one hanging from the ceiling. those are the displays I was referring to. I just ask for the Manager and offer to buy them. I've only had one manager decline, but after about three trips and bothering her, she gave in and sold me the two with pilots for $35.00 each.

Roy Mayoral

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12-19-2003 12:20 AM  13 years agoPost 131
Falcon50SS

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diZeaZed

Did you make that head without a laythe? Because I don't have access to one, drillpress ok, laythe nope.

Also have you tried tracking a pair of blades at a time? I don't know if that will help, just thinking outloud.

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12-19-2003 03:59 AM  13 years agoPost 132
optikaman

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toy Fuse!!!!

Yes the little bird look good in the air, and is a cheep and easy scale job that requires no talent on the behalf of the builder in doing a scale heli....

I also don't like the idea of allowing this to be entered in scale compitition or static judging. And i say this because i was beat out of a position in scale static judging because the owner of the toy bird mounted 5 G.I. Joe's and some guns.

Just my 00.02

Alan..

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12-19-2003 01:30 PM  13 years agoPost 133
diZeaZed

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Falcon
Tracking wasn't too bad, although I didn't think of doing two at a time...duh! That would have made it much easier! The problem I had was (I have been told) "Phasing". I was unclear what this was untill I started goofing around with the washout pins. I am going to put it back to where it was hovering good, and go from there again.
No, I don't have a lathe. I cheated! I drew it up and solid modeled it in AutoCad, and took the drawings to a local machine shop. The guy there was so taken by the heli (he hadn't seen r/c heli's before) that he machined it for free for me! The head is pretty simple, so I don't think it would have cost much anyway. It uses Nexus head axles, and modified Hawk grips. If you're into tinkering on your own, you'll have fun with this one! Let me work out a couple problems, and I'll post the drawings for download.
Jojo

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12-19-2003 04:02 PM  13 years agoPost 134
Falcon50SS

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optikaman

It is pretty obvious to me that you have a bit more money to spend than people like me, so anything I can get my hands on that does not cost an arm and a leg I will try, and it does take talent and ingenuity to blend two things together that weren't meant for eachother and make them work.

And please, take your bashing some where else.

Thats my 2 cents!

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12-19-2003 04:09 PM  13 years agoPost 135
Falcon50SS

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Jojo I would love to have those drawings. And I did not think of going to a local shop. That would make too much sense.

If you do send the drawings could you change the mast diameter to 10mm instead of 8mm.

Thanks, Bill

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12-19-2003 06:22 PM  13 years agoPost 136
optikaman

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Falcon50SS money is not the issue here or why you selected the Toy Bird.
you can get a funkey fuse unpainted for close to the price some have paid for the ToysRus Heli. most people select this bird because it requires little work in detailing and looks good out of the box. This is a good EASY sport scale project.

when i said it takes little talent i was refering to detailing not building...

The nose gun on my cobra cost me $5.00 in material and 30 hrs of my time.
it does take talent and ingenuity to blend two things together that weren't meant for eachother and make them work.
what are you talking about... we are not doing gene splicing here... we are talking about mounting a r/c heli in a plastic toy fuse. and most of the information required to do this has been posted by other people. so 90 % of your work has been done for you..

Again i will say that i am not bashing the toy bird or anyone convertion one.

Alan...


Sorry diZeaZed i addressed you by accident.

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12-19-2003 07:23 PM  13 years agoPost 137
diZeaZed

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Hey Falcon..you just got me in trouble! Too funny!
For what it's worth, to me, money is never really an issue. Not that I have much, I just know how to juggle bills to get the "important" stuff (bet no ones ever done that before...huh ). However, time is an issue. I will one day attempt an all out cool scale ship like those I drool over here on RR, but the TrU heli was an easy, cheap way to get into scale and see if I not only like it, but have the talent, skill and comittment to take it to the next level.
No problem on changing the hole size Falcon, 10mm it is!
Jojo

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12-19-2003 08:20 PM  13 years agoPost 138
heliVoY

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I think Optikaman's point was that these helis should not be allowed to compete in scale contests. I agree with that 100% myself ...

I think the TyR 500 is cool and would not mid getting one myself, but it would be arrogant to even try entering scale competition with it ..

Scale competition is for those that actually have the time and the talent to build a scale bird themselves .. this is why at events like TopGun, points are deducted even for kits that have prefabricated skins detail!!


Wojtek

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12-20-2003 08:42 PM  13 years agoPost 139
Sealerman

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Hi Optikaman,

I think it was my OH-6 that took 2nd place over your AH-1 at the WRAM show this year, the WRAM show is far from being like Top Gun. I agree that these toy helis don't require any scale detail work and no one was more suprised than me that it came in 2nd. As far as it being easy and there being a lot of instructions on the web that is not true in my case. I used a JR Venture which no one at the time had tried, I cut the mechanics so I did not disturb the cockpit area. I had to over come cooling issues and a host of other mounting problems, with out any instructions. I'm sorry that your AH-1 did not win you did a great job on it, but other than the fact that you painted it, the fuselage came with instructions and was designed to fly. I know that there are a lot of people who have pros paint the helis they take credit for should this be allowed. So to say that it is easy and requires no skill is wrong and sounds arrogant and petty. Why can't we all just get along.

Sealerman

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12-21-2003 02:35 AM  13 years agoPost 140
optikaman

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Sealerman i too have done a little bird with raptor mechanics and i did it over 2 years ago. I did not say it takes no skill in getting the mechanics installed what i said was
Yes the little bird look good in the air, and is a cheep and easy scale job that requires no talent on the behalf of the builder in doing a scale heli....
I agree that the WRAM show is not top gun but would you let a Hanger 9 ARF 1/4 scale P51 enter compitition, NO.
but other than the fact that you painted it, the fuselage came with instructions and was designed to fly.
Yes the fuse was manufactured and came with instruction and yes it was ment to fly. BUT... i had to spend close to 50 hrs preping the fuse for paint, build a nose gun and have it function on the X and Y axis remotly, Make 40 rockets, design functional cockpit doors, create my own water transfer decals, make wire cutters, make a pitot sensor, duplicate the origional colors and schema, etc.. i can go on but you get my point.

I am not being
arrogant and petty
I am posing my opinion on entering the little bird or any ARF type of aircraft in a scale contest.

Your OH6 looked great and based on that you took second place.

And yes we all can get along..

Alan....

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