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04-28-2011 02:01 AM  6 years agoPost 181
Sidneyw

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We have been professionally flying 800 size flybarred cameraships during the last +9 years, now we have spent the last week flying and setting up a new 800 size CopterCam5e FBL helicopter with ACE ONE installed and let me tell you that i am completely impressed on how solid and smooth the handling in Manual mode is, you just cannot tell whether you are flying FBL or FB.

It takes time getting the system dialed in correctly but all the setup tools are there with ACE ONE Assistant, at this point i can say that the ACE ONE can only get better and better.

Today we tested the ACE ONE in another 800 size FBL cameraship for Pano work, we spent the day flying it higher and higher as we were gaining confidence, we reach up around 250mts where it was a tiny dot in the sky. At that point you are not flying it anymore, the ACE ONE is doing it for you (or the little chinese inside of it ).

At the beginning it takes time getting used to fly hands off in such conditions but after a few flights that original feeling is reverted by serenity, the autopilot is so dependable and predictable that make things, otherwise impossible, now naturally easy.
I hope you will like the new firmware and Ace Assistant even more.

Actually that little Chinese inside weights in over 220lbs.

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04-28-2011 04:37 AM  6 years agoPost 182
vo-guy

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Set up the new firmware today & had to put in the gain values all over again.....(no biggie). Flies & handles great, especially at 900' altitude in full cruise mode. Took awhile to set up the fail safe mode, but we got it done just about the time we wanted to test the fail safe (return home function) the motor cracked a ring & the poor bird (God bless her heart)started spewwing oil from the exhaust & lost a ton of power. This was the FIRST zenoah engine that has had a problem for us. Does anyone have info on how to set the gain values using the transmitter? Thanks in advance. Oh, BTW, If you're at 900' altitude, make sure you have a full battery pak or a full tank.............

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04-28-2011 06:18 AM  6 years agoPost 183
Colin GuinnrrApprentice - Austin, TX USA - My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

New FBL settings...please help!!

I just updated the Ace Assistant and the Firmware...and saw this screen.

If I was happy with my previous flybarless settings, how do I know what percentage corresponds to 220 gain and 125 reaction speed?? Do I just use 220%? Was the previous setting actually a percentage as well, and I just didn't know it? Thanks Robert!

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04-28-2011 10:01 AM  6 years agoPost 184
Sidneyw

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I really love this hobby or how the Brits expression Bloody good ...... unlimited pleasure.

Can't say I really like my setting as to previous one, but it does ok leaving me more free time to play with. I started out with this in manual.

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04-28-2011 12:26 PM  6 years agoPost 185
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Mchigan, USA

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Colin,

Just set your sliders (or travel adj.) on your TX for remote gain to center for FBL. Then adjust from there. Makes it very easy to dial in. Reset your center position once you get the adjustment close to your liking.

Also, try the suggested settings in the manual for your Joker.

vo-guy,

Plug X1 and X2 into spare channels of your TX then designate those channels to sliders or channels you adjust with travel.

All I can say is this remote gain feature makes adjustments so much easier and more efficient. As promised DJI keeps making it better.

Robert
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04-28-2011 02:19 PM  6 years agoPost 186
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Wayne and others,

Camera stabilization updates are still in the works. They have not forgot about the requests.

Robert
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04-29-2011 05:36 AM  6 years agoPost 187
Colin Guinn

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Plug X1 and X2 into spare channels of your TX then designate those channels to sliders or channels you adjust with travel.
So does this mean you can either have camera gimbal stabilization OR remote FBL gain control? Or can you have both? Thanks!

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04-29-2011 09:10 AM  6 years agoPost 188
BarryB

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So does this mean you can either have camera gimbal stabilization OR remote FBL gain control?
Maybe that's the 'big surprise' ?

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04-29-2011 01:50 PM  6 years agoPost 189
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Once you adjust your FBL gain and fine tune it you then INH that and move on to adjusting your Autopilot gains. The whole idea of Remote adj. feature is to make it easier to find your optimum settings for your particular model and flying style.

Then set your Attitude and Auto modes that you like for your needs.

Set your X1 and X2 to whatever channels you would like after adjustments are done.

Barry,

I simple hello again to you sir.

Robert
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04-29-2011 02:30 PM  6 years agoPost 190
Colin Guinn

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That makes sense Robert...thank you!

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04-30-2011 10:52 PM  6 years agoPost 191
blbills

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Provo, UT

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New Firmware Flight Report

Had a chance to fly the new firmware today. Using a stock 700e FBL.

First impressions were really positive. In manual mode it behaves much, much more predictably and inspires a greater amount of confidence.

My settings for the FBL page ending up being very close to the ones printed in the manual for the "Logo 700"

I really, really like how you can remotely adjust parameters. It makes the tuning process much less painful.

Auto mode still needs some help though. I'm still getting that off-axis drift that everyone is experiencing (like I had before) but it's worse. Fore/aft is is much worse than before (like 45 degrees off). I re-did the compass/mag cal and it didn't help. I also played with the auto values for a few flights and that didn't seem to do anything either.

It also doesn't seem to hold it's position quite as well as it did before.

My question: The only values I didn't play around with were the "I" values under the Advanced Parameters. They default as Front/Back=1%, Left/Right=0%, and Vertical as 8%. In the message window on the right of the software it specifically says to leave these values alone however in the manual for the "logo 700" it has them listed as 100,100,100. Can I change these to match that? Do you think that's my problem?

Hopefully one of these days this thing will be ready to put to use. At least we're making baby steps in the right direction...

Brian

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05-01-2011 05:09 AM  6 years agoPost 192
Colin Guinn

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On my phone, please excuse typos:

We used the new firmware this weekend to do 14 ten minute flights over water (video shoot for Tigé and Liquid Force). I will say that with close to suggested parameters (for MJ3) it flies much better for shooting smooth video.

But, I too, still don't fly in a freaking straight line!!! When you're trying to follow a boat, it would be so nice to be able to set the tail and just fly straight...oh well, guess I'll have to undo my Compass afterall.

Still, all in all, I LOVE the AceOne!! The shots we're getting (starting from way back in a canyon and coming out into the lake to follow a boat) would be absolutely impossible for a crap pilot like myself. I wouldn't dream of flying 4 feet off the water at 15mph in manual mode, but with the AceOne it's a breeze.

So, for all the bitching I do about my heli not flying straight yet (and doing the circular oscillation thing), I must say that this thing is WELL worth every penny I spent on it.

Thank you Robert and DJI...

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05-01-2011 08:36 AM  6 years agoPost 193
Sidneyw

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blbills, did you redo the swash leveling. Mine was off slightly in using the new firmware. Regarding not tracking straight, try increasing the gain. This has been the case for some, by increasing gain the tracking will improve greatly.

I bumped into the tail blade and broke my tail grip link on the bench. Now I have to wait for part.

Colin, glad you have a little smiley.

Velocity tracking & I value

As stated these two should not require adjustment. Nevertheless, since they are there some will want to know what they are for. The following came from Westwind2 -

Velocity tracking is to adjust or increase forward flight speed in head wind condition. The bad is after adjustment you are into tail wind.

"I" value is to accelerate forward speed when stick command is given; the bad is it will abruptly pull back in slow down or stop.

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05-01-2011 02:14 PM  6 years agoPost 194
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Something is not right here. Whatever the reason going on, the heli should fly straight in Auto/Attitude mode.

I have to ask a few questions to people having tracking issues (sorry if redundant, but this needs to be resolved).

Do you have any subtrim or trim in the TX?

Do you have any trim in the software?

Is there any magnetic material close to compass?

With a flybar head all my DJI's have tracked perfect. I could fly out 100yards, release sticks and fly backwards and it never moved off line. This is with the old xp 3.1 and the ace one.

Also, there are people that are not reporting problems with tracking with FBL. So there is something going on. The one thing I know as fact is people are not lying.

I'm going to get this solved. Having a product work great 95% of the time for some is unacceptable.

Robert
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05-02-2011 05:14 AM  6 years agoPost 195
blbills

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Sidneyw,

I did check the swash leveling and it looked dead on to me.

When you say increase the gain, which gain value are you referring to? I've got both my FBL and my Auto gains cranked as far as I dare.

Also perhaps you could answer my original question regarding the "I" parameter:
The only values I didn't play around with were the "I" values under the Advanced Parameters. They default as Front/Back=1%, Left/Right=0%, and Vertical as 8%. In the message window on the right of the software it specifically says to leave these values alone however in the manual for the "logo 700" it has them listed as 100,100,100. Can I change these to match that?
Robert,

0 subtrim in both the radio and the software now. The magnetic compass is mounted on the tail boom away from all other electronics. I have performed dozens of compass cals in the middle of fields with no noticeable difference in performance.
Having a product work great 95% of the time for some is unacceptable
Mine isn't even working 1% of the time. Right now it's only use is a FBL controller. And for the price I could have purchased 10 vbars that fly much, much better.

I really hope that these issues can get resolved. I've had this thing since December and it's still far from video production quality.

Brian

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05-02-2011 10:39 AM  6 years agoPost 196
westwind2

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hong kong

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important point for adjusting the ACE ONE

My question: The only values I didn't play around with were the "I" values under the Advanced Parameters. They default as Front/Back=1%, Left/Right=0%, and Vertical as 8%. In the message window on the right of the software it specifically says to leave these values alone however in the manual for the "logo 700" it has them listed as 100,100,100. Can I change these to match that? Do you think that's my problem?
every time you upgrade the firmware, made sure to first WRITE the default value(which is 100%) including control, FBL... other wise they will just be random numbers.

the line tracking problem, 95% related to the gain setting if not 100%
the gain should be as large as possible, if it is not too large and causing ocsilation.just leave 20% margin.

for the FBL heli, first adjust the FBL setting, also should be large enough. than you start adjust the auto gain setting. this is very important, adjust FBL first, FBL gain as large as possible. then, auto gain. as large as possible. then. 99% you will be satisfied.

hope this helps.

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05-02-2011 12:45 PM  6 years agoPost 197
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Brian,

Before you make any adjustments can you please post your screen shots of FBL and Auto for me.

I want to see the numbers, please.

For FBL you HAVE to get the gain set high. Find the setting of to high and then back it down 10-20%. Use the remote gain for this.

Please report back.

Robert
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05-02-2011 12:56 PM  6 years agoPost 198
Sidneyw

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My question: The only values I didn't play around with were the "I" values under the Advanced Parameters. They default as Front/Back=1%, Left/Right=0%, and Vertical as 8%
Strange; my default values are 100%.

Using laptop and heli not with me, IIRC FBL manual gains are 180%
Flybar weight 200%, turn rate 120%
Auto Pilot Front/back 150%, left/right 150%
This is on 600 size.

Velocity tracking and I value remain default.

I will get 600 logo numbers tomorrow (logo 600 uses 710mm blades).

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05-02-2011 05:37 PM  6 years agoPost 199
Colin Guinn

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Don't know if this info helps, but my default "I" values are identical to Brian's. Though I changed them to 100% across the board as per the manual. Does that seem correct?

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05-02-2011 06:49 PM  6 years agoPost 200
westwind2

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Don't know if this info helps, but my default "I" values are identical to Brian's. Though I changed them to 100% across the board as per the manual. Does that seem correct?
That is correct, after firmware upgrade, the value in the controller maybe random numbers, and we should FIRST restore all of them to default(which is 100%) including the value in FBL and advanced section before making other changes.

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