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02-20-2011 08:28 AM  6 years agoPost 1
maj

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I was Reading about their new feature for the Helijive. How useful is it in bailout.

States ramp up in 1/6 spool up time so say 12 secs spool up and then 2seconds for bail out headspeed to come back up, sounds good.

Now the part that baffled me is the time to deactivation of bailout 1/3 spoolup so 4 secs. That doesn't seem enough to me some of my autos can take maybe 20 secs and it's the bottom sometimes where the bailout is needed and it will be deactivated by then.

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02-20-2011 09:09 PM  6 years agoPost 2
Gernejr

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So if you want 10 sec. of bail out time you need 30 sec of spoolup time.

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02-23-2011 04:39 PM  6 years agoPost 3
MrMel

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Yeah, very strange implementation indeed... Kind of useless if it's only valid for 3 seconds on a 10 second spoolup.

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02-23-2011 05:44 PM  6 years agoPost 4
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If it had to have time limit then 2 to 1 or 1to 1 would be better. What would be the benifit of having a time limit on auto bailout?

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02-23-2011 06:48 PM  6 years agoPost 5
MrMel

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Either you implement it like Castle/Vbar etc, where you have a certain throttle level = autorotation bailout, if you go to "real" hold then it's softstart.

Or you must have a timeout, as else you cannot land and spool back up without getting fast spoolup.

Scorpion has done it by allowing 15,20,25 seconds timeout to be programmable, much more useful than Kontroniks version, if I read their documentation correctly...

so on the scorpion I hit hold, if I need to get a slow spoolup I have to wait 15 seconds before flipping out of hold.

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02-24-2011 06:41 AM  6 years agoPost 6
maj

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That's exactly how I would have done it. You just want to hit your normal hold switch and then wait for your selected time out to spool back up. I don't think K have thought it through properly.

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02-24-2011 11:19 AM  6 years agoPost 7
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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Time for a Jive V11 update now.

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02-24-2011 10:57 PM  6 years agoPost 8
Gernejr

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NO update . this is going to be new ESC and only HV 120 ...

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02-24-2011 11:44 PM  6 years agoPost 9
NOLONGERFLYING

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Surely they aren't this off key of what we want...

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02-25-2011 12:55 AM  6 years agoPost 10
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Think something is lost in translation.

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02-25-2011 02:23 AM  6 years agoPost 11
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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So then a PowerJive 120 cannot be upgraded to the HeliJive software?

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02-25-2011 03:33 AM  6 years agoPost 12
NOLONGERFLYING

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not 100% sure i know the black edition 120 is helijive comptable/installed.

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02-25-2011 04:08 AM  6 years agoPost 13
Taipan

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So does this mean if you reduce the spool up time to 6 secs, it will bail out in just 1 second?? I've always found the default 12 sec spool up waaay to long!

Someone mentioned you can sort of get a bail out with the PowerJive by setting 1% or 5% throttle in hold to prevent a full shutdown & thus enabling a quicker spool up? Not sure.

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02-25-2011 04:09 AM  6 years agoPost 14
helicraze

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thats right, the helijive and black edition have internal hardware change.

Older 120HV cannot be updated due to this.

There is nothing you are missing out on.

If you can't auto better set an idle up to 10% or something and "auto" with that, then if you screw up flick out and fast spool up!

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02-25-2011 06:17 AM  6 years agoPost 15
Taipan

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That said, I would wait until the HeliJive V9 is out, not the V1!

Plus I wouldn't be surprised if KT add an extra $100 or so to the HJ just for the auto bail out!

Still, I'm wondering if I wasted $500 on my PJ as some people claim the Vbar V5.1 Gov is just as good with a cheap ESC!

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02-25-2011 06:36 AM  6 years agoPost 16
helicraze

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Gov func with vbar is better (no tail kicking affecting rolls etc) but no ESC protection etc and worse QC is not a good thing.

I don't need the bailout feature, so i am happy.

Only if they redo the soft to truely work with the vbar gov then i will send my jives back for update (i'll let someone else test it prior to me sending them).

I sold my powerjazz, it is heavy not internal bec and if it fails kontronik have nothing to replace it with as they stopped making it a long time ago.

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02-25-2011 07:25 AM  6 years agoPost 17
maj

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I would like a Autobail out and was going to hold off for the HeliJive. I have played around with percentages before and its just a hassle just want to throw the Hold switch and that's it. This shouldn't be difficult but it seems Kontronik isn't practically there yet with this feature (next to useless). I have thought about using cheaper controllers and the V-bar but in all honesty you lose the internal bec and may gain some QC issuses, more components ie reg, battery or external bec, phase sensor which to me is too many compromises. I appreciate their is a performance gain but too many compromises. I would need a Kontronik mode to allow Vbar gov to work before considering that as an option.

Also Kontronik need to have updates available over the internet. When you have 4-5 that require updating to keep posting is just plain silly.

Come on Kontronik review and ammend these points. They will lose ground to cheaper solutions now a decen't gov can be had elsewhere which was a major seling point of the Jive, now its only the robust BEC.

MJ

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02-25-2011 01:46 PM  6 years agoPost 18
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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It's not hard to program in 10% on the Throttle Hold switch. Since Kontronik will most certainly charge $100 or more on the HeliJive over and above the already expensive $540 Jive 120, I think I can live without this new ESC.

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02-25-2011 04:37 PM  6 years agoPost 19
NOLONGERFLYING

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I still don't think I would trust my heli on a cheap ESC unless I am misunderstanding just for a governor feature? I don't want to see close to 4k going up in flame or similiar.

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02-26-2011 06:44 AM  6 years agoPost 20
maj

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No it's not hard at all but unless I missed something just not practical. You will get a low rpm so not true auto and then need another switch to activate on/off so you can use hold to shutdown. Another option is just put a low % on Flight mode.

However just get bailout practical from the start. This unit will be around 470 euro's so we do pay a premium and shouldn't have to work around.

I'm sure we could all live without model heli's but where is the fun in that ;-)

MJ

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