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› How many ('s) should a heli have??
02-19-2011 08:07 PM  6 years agoPost 1
HeliKopter Ken

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I'm looking to get a 600 size electric heli (maybe Furion) I would like some info. on 6s, 8s, 10s, and 12s setups. Why do you pick one over the other. I am not a hard core 3D guy. I do some loops and rolls with a spinning tail at times, and some inverted. I would like a little more flight time verse the faster heli on the planet.

Thanks for any infomation it will help allot.

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Aurora, Raptor 90 FBL, Logo 600SX

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02-19-2011 08:28 PM  6 years agoPost 2
rexxigpilot

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Many good ones to choose from. Logo 600, Furion 6 and Compass Atom 6HV would be my top picks. 12S will have the advantage in flight time even if you don't do hard 3D. A more efficient, lower KV motor can be used and the heat losses due high current to will be less on the higher voltage setup.

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02-19-2011 09:18 PM  6 years agoPost 3
kcordell

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If you go with the Furion 6, 10S is the only way to go.

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02-19-2011 10:25 PM  6 years agoPost 4
TrevJonez

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myself i run 3000mah 12s on my 600 and love it. im flying more of a 3d flavor right now. i'll fly for upto 5 minutes with an year old set of abused turnigy's.

on a 600 imo your best off with at least a 10s setup but it doesn't cost anymore to just go to 12s since the motors are basically the same but wired a little different. most esc's that handle 10s also handle 12s fine. and as far as batteries go. its easier on the batteries to go with 12s because of the lower amp draw.

if you can keep the weight way down im sure you could get away with a decent 8s setup but it just makes more sense to jump to 12 in my mind.

Who cares... its just money...

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02-20-2011 11:00 AM  6 years agoPost 5
HeliKopter Ken

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So what would the run time difference be between 8s and 12s? I am kind of looking at the cost of the batteries as well. Looks like 12s would cost a few dollars more than 8S per a flight. Would the motor and ESC be the same for both setups. Would I need a different pinion gear for 8s or 12s.

Thanks for any info. I don''t know much about Electric setups.

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02-20-2011 01:48 PM  6 years agoPost 6
kcordell

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PM Brian at MinAirUSA. Not sure if anyone has tried it on 8S. The model was spec'd out on either 6S or 10S, but like the Razor (maybe not the fairest comparison), many have gone to 12S.

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02-20-2011 02:02 PM  6 years agoPost 7
TomC

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Ken,

I suggest you also consider an Align 550 heli. I've recently helped setup and flown a couple of these (one FB, one FBL) and on 6s5000 HK packs w/stock Align 520mm blades, they flew great (good as my 600e imho).

Also, many parts are compatible with the T600N/T600e (looks like you have a T600n).

If, and when, I decide to retire my +3 year old 10s T600e, I'll probably go to a 550e FBL on 6s. Maybe 10s since I already have the motor (Komtronik 45-08) and esc (jazz 55-10-32), and sell the stock motor/esc.

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02-20-2011 02:59 PM  6 years agoPost 8
HeliKopter Ken

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I am not really set on a specific (S) rating for power of a heli. (8S not really possible on this??) I just want something that will fly a little longer than the super 3d powerhouse setups. I really do not want to pay for the power and can't really use it for ten years with My flying skills. I liked what rexxigpilot said about the 12s setup being more efficient with a lower KVA motor and lower heat loss with low current and higher voltage setup.

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02-20-2011 03:46 PM  6 years agoPost 9
SSMKN2

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I just switched to all electric helis in the 600 size. All of my helis are scale so therefore I mainly do sport flying, a little more dramatic with the yellow 500. I really like the turnigy 6s 5000 packs from hobbycity. For 50 bucks a pop they fly great and in the scale birds I average about 7 mins. With your style of flying these should do just fine. I also acquired a few 5s packs, and they some to work well too. Hopefully this helps a bit.

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02-20-2011 11:11 PM  6 years agoPost 10
HeliKopter Ken

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What is the most weight in battery i should put on a 10 or 12s 600 size heli? Would the same setup (engine, ESC, and batt.) go in a 700 size heli as well?

Thanks for the info.

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02-20-2011 11:18 PM  6 years agoPost 11
Steff Giguere

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To have the opportunity to fly the best ever 600 size heli, go for a Logo 600 3D v-bar 5.1, on 10s. You will not regret it.

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02-21-2011 11:51 AM  6 years agoPost 12
Richardmid1

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If your not 3Ding and all you want is good flight times then the number of 's' doesn't matter, mah's matter.

6s is the easiest and cheapest option.

60% of the time, it works every time!

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02-21-2011 03:38 PM  6 years agoPost 13
HeliKopter Ken

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so would that be different gearing for a little lower head speed.

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02-21-2011 03:45 PM  6 years agoPost 14
Wingman77

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in my opinion, the more the better even if you are not flying it hard. the more cells you have the less amperage runs through your system and the less strain on the electronics.

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02-21-2011 05:52 PM  6 years agoPost 15
rexxigpilot

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What is the most weight in battery i should put on a 10 or 12s 600 size heli? Would the same setup (engine, ESC, and batt.) go in a 700 size heli as well?
Now you're thinking! Having batteries that can be used for both a 600 and 700 setup is why I went with 12S. You simply can't do this right on 10S and lower cell counts.

The pack size depends on which 600 you select. I have a 12S Logo 600 that uses 4000mAh packs. I could actually use 4500 packs, but the balance would be off and I'd have to add weights. I can get 8 minutes of flying a mix of sport and 3D on the 4K packs. I will use these packs on my Logo 700 when it come out, but with less flight time.

I like battery pack flexibility. I hate it when a model limits the pack size too much. For instance, I would love to have the Atom 6Hv if it could take a 4K pack. It can't, so I won't buy it.

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02-21-2011 07:15 PM  6 years agoPost 16
HeliKopter Ken

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thats what I was thinking. I was thinking 4S 450 and 8S 600 but I see now that is not the best combo. Now I think 12S 600 ans 12S 700 will be the best combo.

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02-21-2011 09:00 PM  6 years agoPost 17
Richardmid1

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That would work but is not the best, if you used say 3700mah 6s packs in your 600 and 700 it would make the 600 very heavy and the 700 very light with short flight times.

If it were me ide go 6s 5000mah in a 600 and 12s 5000mah in a 700, then you can share packs between the helis.

6s ESC's are also cheaper than 12s (HV) ESC's. 6s pulls more amps but there is more amps there to play with. Scorpion 4025 890kv is a great efficient yet powerful choice for a 6s 600 and I bet it would run no warmer than a 500-600kv motor on 12s.

60% of the time, it works every time!

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02-22-2011 12:37 AM  6 years agoPost 18
HeliKopter Ken

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I was trying to get dual use out of my packs. But most said 6S not enough power for a 600. I am not going to do a 700 size right now anyway.

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02-22-2011 04:53 AM  6 years agoPost 19
R22 pilot

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6s is fine!

I will preface by sayin I am no expert in either knowledge or specs.

But what I do know is I fly my stock trex 600esp for 10+ minutes on TP 6S 5000 30C packs. I dont do crazy 3d stuff, just flyin around!

Most guys that say the 600 is weak on 6S systems are guys that are banging it hard! So, for them and their style, it probably is.

Keep it simple is my motto! The engineers that develop these things are smarter than me, that is for sure! Sounds to me that a straight forward 6S system is exactly what you need. Agreed with the guy above too, about the Turnigy 6S 5000 packs. They are great, I have a couple of em. And, there is always a market for 6S 5000 batteries. Plus, if you are an airplane guy, the 6S 5000 is a great pack for 60 size sport planes.

Just my humble .02

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02-22-2011 09:52 AM  6 years agoPost 20
Richardmid1

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My thoughts exactly R22!

I will add though that 6s is plenty for banging it around!

Most people who say the 6s Trex 600 isn't powerful enough for hard 3D are refering to the older 600E with the old 1650kv motor and 25C packs!..... having said that... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8t41avFuCc

The latest kits with the 600MX motor and 40C+ packs have PLENTY of power for hard 3D, then if you want you could add a Scorpion 4025 1100kv motor and have even more power!

6s 5000mah packs are also cheap now because of the high demand for them especially now the Trex 700E has come out.

60% of the time, it works every time!

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