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02-18-2011 06:58 AM  6 years agoPost 1
specialtydevice

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New Rochelle , ny-​USA

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Just updated to the new version software. Havent taken a test flight yet, was really curious as to how its going to feel now with the paddle similation. I have a multigov as a governor {nitro setup} that works great. I tried connecting to the built in governor in the vbar and eliminated the multigov. Instructions are not clear, even with wiring. Where does the input from reciever to vbar go that tells it what flight mode youre in as different flight modes have different rpms. Where on the software does it tell you indication of sensor read? I even tried watching some mr mel videos...forget this, i connected back up the multigov

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02-18-2011 07:24 AM  6 years agoPost 2
sandtrx

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Oregon

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if you are using a separate standard receiver, you can hook it up as follows

select in the setup section under receiver, standard rx hookup
in gov 1 tab, select nitro, press reset
throttle from rx to aux input on the vbar.
input your max headspeed (say 2100 or so) in gov 2 tab
enter your gear ratio, etc, set your throttle linkage limits etc.

watch mr mels vids again, this will all make sense.

program your normal throttle curve something like this

Normal 0-86-86 (86% of 2100) = 1806 rpm requested headspeed
Idle Up 1 90-90-90 (90% of 2100) = 1890 rpm requested headspeed
Idle up 2 95-95-95 (95% of 2100) = 1995 rpm requested headspeed

Since you hooked up the throttle to the aux input, you can still have separate flight banks available (it uses the separation in percentages of throttle to determine bank 0,1,2.

In the first screen of the software (not the setup), in the governor pane, you will see magnet with a circle next to it. when the sensor passes over the magnet, this will light up green (it is delayed, so go slow).

(make sure you press reset on the setup gov 1 page, this will allow

Vibe 50 (V Bar) Protos 500 (Vbar) Trex 700 (Vbar)

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02-18-2011 10:37 AM  6 years agoPost 3
Heliflyer69

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Northen Cali

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I would like see a step by step gov setup using a JR radio with multiple throttle curves, using the vbar as the RX. I think this is a pretty common equipment configuration in this day and age.

While some of the info posted makes sense, much still does not.

Ive had a newly built F55 sitting here for the last 3 months waiting on the 5.1 patch. I'd like to get it right 1st time out to avoid a blownup YS, or worse...

Roy

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02-18-2011 02:16 PM  6 years agoPost 4
bkervaski

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Birmingham, AL, USA

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I set mine up and flew the first time yesterday, did great.

It's a different type of governor and the setup is different, the VBar governor is actually integrated into the cyclic/pitch/tail control loops, in theory it should have far superior governing power than a separate, non-integrated governor, since it has first hand knowledge based on your inputs of when the heli is going to need more or less power from the engine. So, its proactive instead of reactive like stand alone governors. Obviously way to early to tell and it is version 1 of the governor. I plan on really abusing mine this weekend if the weather holds so I'll report back in the vbar thread how it did.

Incidentally, the magnet read indicator is in the software, there's no visual indicator on the unit itself.

In retrospect, it was quite easy to setup, one of those things that once you do it it makes perfect sense albeit not obvious from the get go.

If you're coming to Birmingham in March, I'll be happy to help you get it going.

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02-18-2011 04:46 PM  6 years agoPost 5
sandtrx

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http://heli.dacsa.net/MrMelSite/VBar101.htm

Mr Mel has done an excellent job of starting a video series. Since Vbar is forging new ground here, you really can't think of this governor being the same as the others. Once you understand the concept of it, its pretty easy to understand.

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02-18-2011 07:59 PM  6 years agoPost 6
MrMel

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Gotland

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Here is a step by step video for separate Receiver setup, shot in 30 minutes including the prep work, video is not 100% by any means so I put it up unlisted, do not post it further on other sites at this moment.

I do not cover magnet setup
nor do I cover the main screen settings
probably did a few mistakes here and there... first take, unplugged version

BUT it might help you wrap the head around the concept of how the governor works.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbY8flZz0PY

Gone fishing..or hunting..or something
My site: http://heli.dacsa.net - VBar videos and more

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02-18-2011 08:32 PM  6 years agoPost 7
Richardmid1

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Leeds, England

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Paddle simulation? Whats this?

60% of the time, it works every time!

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02-18-2011 08:38 PM  6 years agoPost 8
bkervaski

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Paddle simulation? Whats this?
It's paddle simulation (for those who like the feel of paddles).

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02-19-2011 12:53 AM  6 years agoPost 9
sandtrx

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Oregon

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basically like an accelerator around center stick, gives it more snap

Vibe 50 (V Bar) Protos 500 (Vbar) Trex 700 (Vbar)

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02-19-2011 10:28 AM  6 years agoPost 10
Richardmid1

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Leeds, England

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Ah so me and alot of other people were NOT wrong about the disconnected feeling!

People who said "you dont have it set up correctly!"... eat ****!

60% of the time, it works every time!

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02-19-2011 05:43 PM  6 years agoPost 11
sandtrx

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Oregon

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I don't know about that, if you went in and played with the gains, then I think that it could get alot better than what people were reporting.

5.1 is a whole new animal. I have a protos with a silver sensor thats stuck on 4.0 forever, 4.0 and 5.1 are totally different feeling with 5.1 feeling much better. I think i'll have to put the silver sensor on ebay and buy a new one

I'm sure v6 will be yet again another animal.

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02-19-2011 06:21 PM  6 years agoPost 12
rexxigpilot

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Florida

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Ah so me and alot of other people were NOT wrong about the disconnected feeling!

People who said "you dont have it set up correctly!"... eat ****!
I certainly wouldn't call the Paddle Simulation a "more connected" feel. There is a difference between the non-linear feel of a flybar and the more precise feel of FBL. Once you get use to the superior FBL feel, you will never go back to the feel of a flybar IMO. A flybarred heli feels downright awful to me now, so I will never use the Paddle Simulation.

For others coming from flybars, if it gets them use and like the V-Bar, it's great. I would hope they eventually eliminate paddle sim usage by slowly turning it down to 0 (OFF).

It took me about one week to get to where I preferred the feel of FBL over the flybars I was comfortable with. No looking back now.

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02-21-2011 07:49 AM  6 years agoPost 13
OICU812

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Edson, Alberta,​Canada

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Ah so me and alot of other people were NOT wrong about the disconnected feeling!
There never has been a delay or such. 5.1 paddle simulation is nothing more then a different feel, option. If this cures what you or others felt was a disconnection, that was and is the goal to have that "feel" everyone is looking for. It's not about what people thought or think they feel, it is about satisfying that desire, so try it out if you have 5.0 on any machines to update to 5.1??

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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02-23-2011 12:48 PM  6 years agoPost 14
specialtydevice

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New Rochelle , ny-​USA

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just flew over the weekend with the 5.1 update on both the 90 and the 50 helis. I didnt notice any difference as far as the paddle effect. comes defaulted at 20 with a recommendation for 20-40 setting on the paddle similation and i turned it up to 30 but it felt the same as the 5.0 version. anyone notice a paddle feeling?

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02-23-2011 01:59 PM  6 years agoPost 15
Big Fil

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Santa Rosa, CA

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The paddle simulation can be a pretty drastic difference in feel during cyclic heavy manuevers. That said if you are flying sport patterns the difference may not be as apparent.

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02-23-2011 02:15 PM  6 years agoPost 16
Richardmid1

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Leeds, England

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basically like an accelerator around center stick, gives it more snap
On cyclic or collective or both?

60% of the time, it works every time!

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02-23-2011 03:23 PM  6 years agoPost 17
mmc205

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PA - USA

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does anyone know what the paddle simulation equivalent number would be to get the feel of 4.0? i currently like how 4.0 feels and when i upgrade to 5.0, i would like it to feel the same, at least starting out, then maybe i'll play with the paddle sim.

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02-23-2011 05:06 PM  6 years agoPost 18
sandtrx

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Oregon

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mmc,

0 is paddle off.

Once you change to 5.1, it will not feel like 4.0 any more, It is going to be "tighter"

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