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02-17-2011 09:34 PM  6 years agoPost 1
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Missing Wisconsin Democrats Who Skipped Anti-Union Vote Left the State, Senator Says

Published February 17, 2011

The 14 Senate Democrats who are boycotting a vote on a controversial "union-busting" bill have left the state, a Wisconsin state senator said.

Sen. Jon Erpenbach says the group wants to force negotiations over the Republican-backed bill, which would strip most public employees of their collective-bargaining rights.

Erpenbach said that he and his colleagues had left Wisconsin, but he would not say where.

He said the plan is to slow down the bill because it's "tearing the state apart."

Senate Republicans hold a 19-14 majority but can't vote on the bill unless at least one Democrat is present. Police could be dispatched to retrieve them, but it was unclear if they would have the authority to cross state lines.
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"It's kind of unbelievable that they're elected to do a job and they wouldn't show up to do it," Republican Assembly Speaker Jeff Fitzgerald told Fox News.

Fitzgerald said the apparent boycott may force the State Assembly to vote first on the bill. But he added that if police officers find the lawmakers, they will bring them back to the chamber for a vote.

"This isn't something I've ever seen in the state of Wisconsin," he said. "It's a very volatile situation right now but those people were elected to do a job and unfortunately they're not doing it. They're not representing the people of their district."

Newly elected Republican Gov. Scott Walker has called on the Democrats to return to the chamber.

"Out of respect for the institution of the Legislature and the democratic process, I am calling on Senate Democrats to show up to work today, debate legislation and cast their vote," he said in a statement. "Their actions by leaving the state and hiding from voting are disrespectful to the hundreds of thousands of public employees who showed up to work today and the millions of taxpayers they represent."

The bill has sparked a storm of protest for three days. Teachers marching at Wisconsin's Capitol Building in Madison shut down schools for a second day Thursday so they could demand collective bargaining rights that they say are essential to keeping kids in school.

Dozens of schools closed as a result of high absences as thousands of protesters, including students and teachers, marched on the Capitol building to demand state lawmakers strike down a bill that would require union concessions worth $30 million by July 1 and $300 million over the next two years.

The Democratic National Committee's Organizing for America said it is playing an active role in organizing protests against the bill.

The bill, which also bans collective bargaining rights for teachers, requires educators to contribute 5.8 percent to their pensions and 12.6 percent to their health care. Currently, educators pay 0.2 percent for their pensions and 4 to 6 percent of their health care costs.

"Our goal is not to close schools, but to instead to remain vigilant in our efforts to be heard," said Mary Bell, president of the 98,000-strong Wisconsin Education Association Council.

State lawmakers proposed the legislation as part of an effort to close a $3.6 billion budget gap, and say they expect it to pass and eventually reach the desk of Walker.

"This bill isn't about an assault on public employees. We have great public employees throughout the state, I have them in my district, hard-working folks," said Republican state Assembly Speaker Jeff Fitzgerald. "What this is is about the budget. We're $3.6 billion in the hole. We're not going to raise taxes to solve it. We all ran, you know, this last election cycle on saying that we are going to cut government spending. ... Everybody is going to have to do their part."

But Michael Langyel, head of the Milwaukee Teachers Education Association, said Walker and Republican lawmakers are asking public employees to give up more than everyone else.

"If people say the only way to solve this budget crisis is to take away from people who are working hard, they are wrong. We believe that we have a right to have a fair wage for our hard work. More importantly, the collective bargaining process allows us to positively impact school policy issues. We are the advocates for our students, and we will maintain our voice in defending our students," he told Fox News.

Langyel added that if Walker wants to balance the budget, he should force his friends to pay more.

"There are many people who support the governor who contribute nothing and pay nothing and are not contributing. This is the time to have fair taxation in the state of Wisconsin, where the friends of the governors do not get a free ride and the hard-working people have to carry the extra burden," he said.

Speaking Wednesday to WTMJ4 in Milwaukee, President Obama weighed into the debate, saying that making it harder for public employees to collectively bargain "seems like more of an assault on unions."

"I think it is very important for us to understand that public employees, they're our neighbors, they're our friends," he said. "These are folks who are teachers and they're firefighters and they're social workers and they're police officers."

It is important "not to vilify them or to suggest that somehow all these budget problems are due to public employees," Obama said.

Education Secretary Arne Duncan told Fox News on Thursday that he is "troubled by the current climate" but was hopeful for a good resolution. He added that everyone is going to have to compromise even as teachers perform "Herculean" work.

"We have to work together with them to give every child a chance for a great education and we need to work together and we need to prove outside the comfort zone but to vilify one group or demonize one group doesn't move us as a country that we need to go," Duncan said.

But Walker said the demands on public employees are "modest" compared with those in the private sector, and are meant to prevent a shutdown, which could result in 6,000 state workers not getting paid.

"We're at a point of crisis," the governor said, adding that he would call out the National Guard if needed to keep state operations, including prisons, running.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, in 2008, the average salary for an elementary school teacher was $51, 240 while middle school educators earned $50,950 and high school teachers earned $49, 400.

Wisconsin's measure would end collective bargaining for state, county and local workers, except for police, firefighters and the state patrol. Unions still could represent workers, but could not seek pay increases above those pegged to the Consumer Price Index unless approved by a public referendum. Unions also could not force employees to pay dues and would have to hold annual votes to stay organized.

Republican-backed changes to the bill made by the state's Senate budget committee Wednesday would extend a grievance procedure to public workers who don't have one and require more oversight and put a deadline on changes.

Fitzgerald said despite the heated debate, and individual threats against lawmakers, the majority of Wisconsin residents approve of the bill.

"Although the protesters have been very rowdy, very one sided on what legislators are hearing, there's a silent majority out there that spoke on November 2, said, you know, we have to (head the state) in the right direction to put our fiscal house in order. So that's what we're going to do. It's very difficult but you know that's what we're set out to do and hopefully."

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...l-union-rights/

My Comments: Prez Obama supports the protesters and the Dems who left the capital of Wisconsin to avoid the vote against the unions. Which, of course, that means he is confirming his agenda of spending the USA into oblivion. I don't think that is going to go over very well for him. That state of Wisconsin is "Out Of Money". The Prez should mind his own business of running the fed government and the military. Such as it is.

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02-17-2011 11:18 PM  6 years agoPost 2
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Unions are a choice free people make. Communist countries, dictatorships and facist regimes do not allow unions. Its no wonder you, Rush , John Bonnner and all those other assholes are for this.
But look at Egypt. Its about to happen here if that **** keeps up

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02-17-2011 11:23 PM  6 years agoPost 3
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Unions are a choice free people make. Communist countries, dictatorships and facist regimes do not allow unions.
The issue in Wisconsin has nothing to do with dictatorships or fascism. It about the state being "OUT OF MONEY".

Raising taxes does not solve that problem. It only delays it.

Period.

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02-18-2011 12:55 AM  6 years agoPost 4
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Unions are a choice free people make.
In some states. Since WI is not a right to work state its not even a choice.
Communist countries, dictatorships and facist regimes do not allow unions.
That's because they hate competition.

Unions are nothing but politically active criminal organizations. At one point they had a use, now they are just about lining the pockets of the union leadership, screwing the members and blackmailing companies.

I give up on Loctite, nothing lasts long enough to vibrate loose anymore.

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02-18-2011 01:52 AM  6 years agoPost 5
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^^^ What he said!^^^+1

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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02-18-2011 02:28 AM  6 years agoPost 6
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Im pretty sure you four ( the same old gang) either

were denied membership in a union at some point in your life

or

own a small company with a "penny pinching" attitude

or

live in a very rural area ( so do I , not knocking that)

but I will tell you, I have worked both sides. The skill level and integrity of the Union craftsman is far better than a non union craftsman. As I said I have worked for both. Non union companies will buy the cheapest, least durable part to install, just under spec.Just squeak it in. There is a reason government buildings last 40, 50 ,100 years. Good quality material and Labor. How come all bomb shelters are government buildings? I do work for the City of San Diego. I am in a union. I was in a union before I came to work here as were 95% of the people working where I do. You probably think that's because there's some kind of good ole boy network between the interviewer and the interviewee, but that's not the case. Im sitting on an interview panel right now. we are trying to hire a plant process control electrician. Very technical end of the industry. Not a guy who can pull wire and run pipe, but someone who can troubleshoot PLC's acctuators and VFD's. Not many people come through the door even remotely qualified. The only ones that do 9 times out of 10 are from a union construction contractor. those are the only companies who continue educating their employees. They have too. they are going after high end work People in Unions make a higher wage for a reason.

But, it really doesnt matter anyway. this will never pass the first court. America is a democracy where people are allowed to pick to join a union or not. Just like the right to bear arms, thats called the right to assemble.S this is nothing more than a PR stunt for the legislature.And they know it

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02-18-2011 02:44 AM  6 years agoPost 7
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but I will tell you, I have worked both sides. The skill level and integrity of the Union craftsman is far better than a non union craftsman. As I said I have worked for both.
So have I in the printing business for 25 years. I saw little or no difference in skill level.
Non union companies will buy the cheapest, least durable part to install, just under spec.Just squeak it in.
Thats not necessarily true in the trades. Companies have to compete out there.
But, it really doesnt matter anyway. this will never pass the first court. America is a democracy where people are allowed to pick to join a union or not.
Not with union employers. With union employers, union membership is a requirement for employment.

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02-18-2011 02:59 AM  6 years agoPost 8
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Im pretty sure you four ( the same old gang) either

were denied membership in a union at some point in your life

own a small company with a "penny pinching" attitude

live in a very rural area ( so do I , not knocking that)
Actually I live in a city and have several times worked for a unionized company, so I have plenty of experience dealing with the unions. I have certainly never been denied membership, I would never work at a place that forced me to join such an organization.

I am not sure why there was a dig against fiscally conservative small businesses, but to each is own.

As far as union quality, its hard to argue with that, just look at the automotive industry. Honda, Toyota, Subaru all well known union shops. Oh wait, I read that wrong.

http://blogs.edmunds.com/strategies...y-rankings.html

I give up on Loctite, nothing lasts long enough to vibrate loose anymore.

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02-18-2011 03:28 AM  6 years agoPost 9
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Unions have outlived their usefulness, back 75 years ago Unions put an end to companies issuing their own currency in order to bury their workers in debt to the company store. A lot of the Coal Mines issued their own coinage as pay, and the coinage was only tendered at the Coal Mine owned store. Unions help put an end to that abuse, but today they are killing our ability to compete in the global market.

In the private sector, unions are a dieing breed, only 9% of privately owned companies are Union, but now they are flourishing in the public sector (taxpayer funded) jobs because Government does not have to show a profit, or worry about the bottom line, because they never have, they just print more money. Unfortunately the Government is a confiscatory organization and it's our money they are confiscating and our Country they are taking over the cliff.

Mark my words, if these unions are allowed to continue raiding the federal treasury (The Taxes we pay), this country will go they way of Spain and the other socialists countries.

Communism and socialism has never worked, conservatism and capitalism works every time it's tried. When we stop rewarding excellence, excellence will no longer exist. Sure it's nice to be paid $42 an hour to run a fork lift at GM, and have a retirement plan that you never paid a penny into, but it's unsustainable and will further take this country down the Shiite hole.

Read the writings and warnings of "Tocqueville" he warns of Politicians and organizations raiding the treasury.

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02-18-2011 03:36 AM  6 years agoPost 10
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"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."
Alexis de Tocqueville

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02-18-2011 04:20 AM  6 years agoPost 11
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With my 2 cents on Unions, here is my 2 cents on Wall Street as well as the reckless and greedy CEO's, and the Boards members that vote them in, Most of them have the option to dump their stock on the first hint of trouble while the employees who are well invested in the company do not have the same option. By the time the public hears of the mass exodus, the money in the retirement pension accounts, the 401K's as well as the money invested from Mutual fund accounts are long gone.

Some of these Rat Bastards on Wall Street do their best to be nominated to sit on the board on these fortune 500 companies and collect outrageous salaries and even more outrageous compensation plans and severance packages, they are no different than the Union big wigs, they are both thieves and deserve to share the same fate as Mussolini and Saddam Hussein.

Take the case of ex secretary of Treasury Robert Rubin, (read his bio here) he has sat on the board of CitiCorp, and other publicly traded companies, and the CitCorp board members voted in favor for his absurd compensation plan, ($17,000,000) and did absolutely nothing to justify the salary he collected, not to mention the $33,000,000 in stock options as of 2008, that money was literally stolen from the mutual fund investors and 401k investors that was intended to be there for their retirement plans. Now most of them are collapsing and our investments will vanish with them.

It all comes down to personal accountability, and today we see very little of it, it is excused away for some manufactured inequity or traumatic event or consequence. Suck it up America or we will lose what so many died for trying to defend

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02-18-2011 04:35 AM  6 years agoPost 12
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fwiw..

I share a common trade with Dennis...

Years ago, I was a staunch union supporter; Was a shop steward, then began to see what was behind the curtain in the union management..
Helped decertify a shop several years later, never regretted it, never looked back....
In the ebb and flow of society, unions can be a powerful force for good, evening the playing field between labor and employer...But as the pendulum swings,the union can become as the evil it purports to prevent..

The government unions are now like a cancer...Eating at the host until both succumb..

Taxed Enough Already...Party is over.

BC

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02-18-2011 04:39 AM  6 years agoPost 13
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The government unions are now like a cancer...Eating at the host until both succumb..

Taxed Enough Already...Party is over.
Amen!

"Big" Mike

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02-18-2011 04:41 AM  6 years agoPost 14
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Taxed Enough Already...Party is over.
Thats what the issue is all about.

The state of Wisconsin is "Out Of Money". They are $3.5 billion in debt from over spending.

The same type of things are going to happen to a lot of states very soon now. The republicans that have been put in office to fix these spending problems will be demonized, accused of Hitler tactics, accused of starving children and old folks, accused of giving tax breaks to their rich buddies, and beat over the head like no other time in our history. It may even get bloody in the streets.

Its up to the voters to get sick and tired of being sick and tired of it.

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02-18-2011 12:20 PM  6 years agoPost 15
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I think it is also worth keeping in mind that there is a big difference between private sector unions and public sector unions.

Private sector unions know (though sometimes it is hard to tell) that there are limits to the demands they can make because if the company can no longer make a profit, they will have no employees, which means no dues.

Public sector unions have no such concerns about profitability, competition or general viability. They just want to extort as much as possible from the pool of other people's money.

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02-18-2011 01:10 PM  6 years agoPost 16
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The last eight or so posts have said most of what I would have said except for this, I have known many union auto workers in my life and it is a wonder that the auto buisness didn't fold years ago! I have never seen a worse bunch of knotheads in my life (Out side of the government workers that I've dealt with)! I could give many, many examples of this but I won't bore you with the details. The unions around here are for the most part crooked and screw their members badly, something that I could also bore you with the details of ( My father was a Teamster!).
Finally, We have an electrician at the plant that is union trained and a union supporter. He is the worst one there and wouldn't even have his job if he hadn't done something (?) for the previous plant manager to get hired. He is always bragging how the union electricians are better and then goes out and proves he don't know jack! I guess that's the Union way?

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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02-18-2011 07:19 PM  6 years agoPost 17
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The state of Wisconsin is "Out Of Money". They are $3.5 billion in debt from over spending.
Untrue. The New Gov of Wisconson was given a 120 million dollar surplus the day he stepped into office. His first move was to approve 140 million dollars in tax breaks to local/state corporations making an immediate 20 million dollar debt. Real fiscal conservative there

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02-18-2011 07:27 PM  6 years agoPost 18
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His first move was to approve 140 million dollars in tax breaks to local/state corporations making an immediate 20 million dollar debt. Real fiscal conservative there
If thats true, then its a good thing because then companies can take that savings and hire more people. Upgrade there facilities, etc, etc,etc.

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02-18-2011 07:28 PM  6 years agoPost 19
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Just wait and see what happens in this country when the American people finally realize We ARE BROKE ! There will be rioting in the streets when they lose all there perks.

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02-18-2011 07:31 PM  6 years agoPost 20
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