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02-15-2011 03:06 AM  6 years agoPost 1
slickporsche

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Anyone know what a Concept VR is? I should know but have forgotten. IS it newer than a SX or SRX?

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02-15-2011 05:33 AM  6 years agoPost 2
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Concept VR

I finally figured it out. It actually is a 32 VR, another version of the 46VR.

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02-19-2011 02:11 AM  6 years agoPost 3
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Yep, I have both of those and they are the same machine with exception to engine mount, fan shroud, gear ratio and clutch!

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02-21-2011 05:23 AM  6 years agoPost 4
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Concept VR

Hello,

The VR series was Kyosho's last version of the "Concept" series. It used parts and ideas from the "concepts" and combined them with parts and ideas from the "nexus" line of helis and came up with the last hurrah of the "concepts".

They are newer than the Concept and Nexus series but still use the terrible z-bends on control links and phillips head screws holding everything together. Parts availability is as bad if not worse on some things as the older Kyosho helis.

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02-22-2011 01:00 AM  6 years agoPost 5
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Concept VR

Better to get the Caliber4!

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02-22-2011 01:19 AM  6 years agoPost 6
dkshema

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Better to get the Caliber4
Well, not really. Kyosho has essentially given up helis as far as the US is concerned. It even appears they are giving up on them completely, even in Japan, opting to have someone else manufacture and perhaps carry on with the product.

I owned three Nexus, three Caliber 30s, and a Caliber 4. The Nexus were OK, the Caliber 30's were actually pretty good, especially when the OS 37 came along. But the 4? A real disappointment, it was just a warmed over Caliber 30 and lost something in the translation.

According to another post here recently, Kyosho America has pretty much stopped importing the kits, but is keeping a parts stock on hand.

Time to raise your sights and pick a VIABLE heli solution now.

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02-22-2011 01:58 AM  6 years agoPost 7
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: Concept VR

I have been watching auctions for helicopters on Ebay for quite some time, and have come to the conclusion it is a waste of time. I was watching this last one a Concept 32VR,new in the box/partially assembled. No motor, no nothing, just the kit. The auction ended moments ago at $234. How dumb are people? It's an old old kit and they fly nice, but for the same money you can get a new Caliber 4, that will outfly the VR.

I have been seeing lots of heli's that are very old go for totally insane amounts of money. Two days ago a Schluter Champion for over $500 new in the box. That was the one the X-cell put out of business. It is time to start shopping the flea markets, and garage sales for this junk.

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02-22-2011 02:13 AM  6 years agoPost 8
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dkshema

I just happen to like the Kyosho heli's, and I have several contemporary heli's also. I do not need to raise my sites, as I do what I like and do not follow anyone around. I can afford any r/c helicopter that I would like, but I am not that dumb to pay too much for anything. The reason I like the Caliber 4 is that is has aluminum in places the Caliber 3 should have. ALso I have not seen any thing really impressive come out in years, other than the turbine. Most new designs are copies of old designs only a little different, and ratios have been changed so they can 3D. Trying to reinvent the heli, is like reinventing the wheel.

The most dramatic change I have seen, is in electronics and the transmitters,servos, and batteries.Carbon and fiberglass blades have also helped a bunch, but the heli really has not changed that much. I think the next big change will be larger coaxial designs, That are aerobatic. There are already two of them for sale, but no aerobatics, Yet!

I will be buying a couple more Kyoshos when I find the right deal, and one will be the Caliber4, and the other will be the Caliber 90.You need to remember dkshema, you can never have enough heli's

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02-22-2011 03:17 AM  6 years agoPost 9
dkshema

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I did the Kyosho thing for quite awhile, as I noted, Nexus x 3, Caliber 30 x 3, Caliber 5, Caliber 4, and going back awhile, Concept 30 and Concept 60. Add to that a Kyosho EP 400, and then I modded that to be an EP 400 XP.

If you look back through the Kyosho pages here, you'll see that I was really gung-ho on them, and did what I could to promote them and see that people had a good Kyosho experience. The day that Kyosho announced that the Caliber 30 was discontinued was indeed a sad day here.

The introduction of the Caliber 3, in my opinion, was a horrible mistake. I stated so here a few years back. Dwight Shilling took me to task for that review, but then, the Caliber 3 never made it to prime time here in the states. That should have been a tell-tale clue as to its viability in the market.

When the 4 was announced, I had to buy one, as it seemed this would have all the good characteristics of the Caliber 30, and maybe might just be quite a bit better. I didn't find that to be the case.

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The stock Caliber 4 doesn't really have all that much aluminum. Clutch bell and swashplate, that's it. The head is totally plastic, that goofy flybar adds more drag than it should, and overall, I was extremely disappointed in the 4 and its performance. I tried for a couple of years to get it to fly well, but it just never did. I never had a satisfactory flight out of the 4. It was nowhere near as fun to fly as the older Caliber 30.

I see that at one time you could buy the Caliber 4 FT, that cost a bit more, but you DID get additional aluminum -- the head for sure, and that goofy flybar got ditched for the Caliber 30 "standard" flybar. The Caliber 4 FT was very close to being an upgraded Caliber 30 with aluminum in all the right spots, but being an FT, it wasn't necessarily available in the US, and if it were, the cost would be something I'd not have been willing to pay for a 30 sized heli.

I had an OS 37 in mine for power, and had installed a CYE Muscle Pipe for the 37, bought in like new condition here on RR. I ran 30% nitro and found the heli to be just not as much fun as the older Caliber 30 with the same power plant.

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My Caliber 5 was also somewhat of a disappointment. I initially liked it, found it to be a very smooth flyer, and it tracked well. But I also found it to be heavy, especially nose-heavy. I think it was that massive bleach bottle canopy that pushed it over the top.

I opted for the EMS (CCPM) linkage from the start. I ran both an OS 50 (non-Hyper), and YS50ST in that heli, with CYE muscle pipes (MP5, as I recall). At the same time I had the 5, I also had an EVO 50. The EVO ended up getting a lot more air time. At least until it met its demise after throwing a tail blade in flight, and a not so smooth autorotation that followed.

Then, I picked up a Trex 600 Nitro Pro to replace the EVO. I hadn't intended to buy the 600, but was looking for something to replace the dead EVO. Wes Gray at Modefo's made me an offer I couldn't refuse. He sent me a Trex 600 Nitro Pro kit, with all the trimmings, at no cost. I was to build it, and fly it. If I liked it, he'd make me a deal on the combo package. If I didn't like it, I could return it to him, and not be out any cash. A real test drive, with no strings attached.

The performance increase of the 600 Nitro Pro over the C5 was unmistakable, and noticeable. The Caliber 5 went up for sale real quick after I got that first Trex 600. Needless to say, I bought that 600, and I've not looked back on the sale of the C5.

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My EP 400/EP 400XP experience was also a let-down. The EP 400, in my opinion, was a waste of time, effort, and money. I ran a fairly extensive build thread for that heli here on RR, really trying to make it perform well.

I upgraded it into the XP version, hoping for some improvement, that turned out to be a waste of time, effort, and money, as well. One last experiment with the 400 was my attempt to stretch the boom so it could turn 325 mm blades. The project succeeded, but the head and collective system simply could not handle the additional loading from the lengthened blades. The stretched heli flew poorly. In retrospect, the EP 400 and EP 400 XP came nowhere close to matching the performance of my old TRex 450X and X-V2 with relatively wimpy motors.

That heli still sits in my garage, alongside those original Trex 450X and 450X-V2 choppers. I'd almost be wiling to give it away, just to get it out of my garage. Maybe if someone wanted to pay shipping costs, I'd do just that.

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As for the Caliber 90, yes that is a very very nice heli. Just way darned expensive. But Kyosho no longer makes it, it has been picked up by a third party for parts support. Long-term support and supply of kits, I'd think, would be a major concern for a heli whose initial acquisition cost is outrageous.

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Once I started flying stuff other than Kyosho, I found what I'd been missing with regard to performance and flyability. My current fleet is all Align Trex. It kind of evolved that way.

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Yes, you can never have enough helis, with that I agree. My gallery and current list of helis attests to that. Though at present, it's dominated by Align products, it doesn't have to be. Future additions to that fleet? Well, I'd give the Fury 55 and the Furion 6 a real close look, as I would the Synergy N5 and the Raptor X50. If I had the money and the place to put them all, I'd probably add all four to my fleet. My old 9303 transmitter still has a lot of open model memories to fill.

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I understand your desire to fly Kyoshos, and have nothing against doing so. But where I once was a Kyosho advocate, the Kyosho shine, at least for me, has dimmed quite a bit. With Kyosho all but abandoning the heli market for good, I can't really continue to recommend them, however.

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I think the recent Miniature Aircraft ads say much the same as you -- that helicopter development is no longer seeing major technological advances, there is only so much one can do to design a rotor head, drive train, and tail rotor system. Materials have changed. Adding the ability to run without a flybar with the current crop of electronics has added a new dimension to flying, but overall, the helicopter seems to have been refined to the point where it will take some magic innovation to make something radically new and exciting.

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02-22-2011 03:43 AM  6 years agoPost 10
dkshema

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Two days ago a Schluter Champion for over $500 new in the box. That was the one the X-cell put out of business.
Well, not really. It wasn't the Xcell that put the Champion down for the count, it was Robbe Modellsport taking over the marketing and support for Schluter products in general that finally killed off the Schluter helis.

Once upon a time, I owned a Heliboy, Helistar, Superior, Champion, and Miniboy at the same time. Another one of those "brand loyalty" things, I guess.

For a host of reasons, my Champion didn't get a fair shot from me. I moved soon after I bought it, from Kansas City to Albuquerque. Soon after the move, I got married, that kind of took some of the steam out of my heli flying, along with a couple of kids. Soon after the two kids, my wife was diagnosed with a brain tumor, subsequently died, and my RC flying almost got put on hold for about 8 years. In that mess, my Champion got some flying time, but never what it should have. It WAS a nice flying heli. I saw that Champion for sale, and would have considered buying it, but at $500, that was a bit steep. Besides, I'd just restored a Superior late last fall...

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