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02-14-2011 08:53 PM  6 years agoPost 1
poboy

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I have been in out of heli's for a while and really haven't accomplished much but hovering. I fly and do auto's on the sim all day. Its different with out the RED button! After watching a local club member this weekend with a 600 sized Compass with a FBL setup fly. I was interested again.

He told me how stable and easy it was to setup. He recommended that i should try it.

So my question is. Is a FBL heli ok to learn FF with?

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02-14-2011 08:56 PM  6 years agoPost 2
JOLT

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Honestly man, no equipment short of an electronic co-pilot is going to substitute for the real thing. One of the best sayings I have ever heard was: "The secret to flying RC helis is at the bottom of a 55 gallon drum."

Words to live by in this hobby IMHO. A good pilot can make a Blade 400 look awsome and conversly a bad pilot can make a Rave ENV seem uncontrollable.

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02-14-2011 09:21 PM  6 years agoPost 3
jsenicka

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To actually answer the question :-)

I would actually recommend learning on FBL. Assuming you can get some good coaching on setup. FBL lowers crash cost, and takes a lot of instability and wind effects out of the picture.

Will this make you crash proof? No. Only sim time and flight time can give you the skills you need. But it can make your initial flight experiences easier.

There are some that will disagree, that you must learn on FB first, but we likely had the same arguments that said you had to learn on a rate mode gyro before trying heading hold.

My biggest advice is to practice forward flight and returning to hover to land until you have it cold on the sim before you ever try it outside, flybar or flybarless

Jim Senicka
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02-14-2011 09:23 PM  6 years agoPost 4
ChristianM

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So my question is. Is a FBL heli ok to learn FF with?
It is nothing wrong with learning on a FBL machine but I would suggest that you have someone to help you set it up. It is really beneficial to have an accomplished pilot to help set up the various parameters / setting correctly for the FBL unit the first time.

Best of luck with your new endeavor in to the heli world again.

Christian

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02-14-2011 09:26 PM  6 years agoPost 5
poboy

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Thanks! The problem is having someone help out. They are not many heli pilots around here.

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02-14-2011 09:35 PM  6 years agoPost 6
trekrider586

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plenty of pilots here in Alabama.where are you located?I'm sure we can find someone near you.

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02-14-2011 09:43 PM  6 years agoPost 7
poboy

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They are some around and I do know some. Problem is I have had some of them help me. Started off with a heli that I could hover and ending up with one going nuts in a hover. Everyone wants to setup it up their way. Some good some bad. Always starts off " Your pitch and setup is all wrong" How can this be? Your the one that set it up! I want a docile heli for now. Not one the jumps 50ft when you look at the stick.

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02-14-2011 11:41 PM  6 years agoPost 8
LONEWOLF2440

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Youll love the flybarless

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02-15-2011 12:09 AM  6 years agoPost 9
Ladymagic

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You can learn on FBL, but since it is essentially a digial flybar, you'll need to be able to tell the FBL unit what it should feel like and know how to adjust it when it doesn't. Most people who have flown FB machines for a while use that knowledge as a basis for fine tuning a FBL machine. If you don't know what a FB head feels like it'll be a little harder to adjust a FBL head to your liking.

I've been asked to fly other pilot's FBL machines who aren't familiar with FBL setups and some of them were dangerously setup becuase the pilot didn't know that shouldn't be adjusted a certain way. If you learn on a poorly setup FBL head, it can potentially make learning a more difficult process than it normally would be. I say learn at least the basics on a FB heli and then you can upgrade to FBL...then you'll have a performance baseline that you can follow to get your head just right for you.

I will say that one of the advantages of FBL is it's tunability. So, if you know where to start you can intially set it up so it's more dacile and then tune it up when you are ready for more advanced setups. Also, your head sustains less damage in a crash and especially for align helis, you can often get away with little to no damage to your head components in many cases. I learned that from personal experience. Good luck and happy flying.

Mellisa

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02-15-2011 12:21 AM  6 years agoPost 10
GyroFreak

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I recently just converted to FBL and love it. I did need a lot of help setting up the parameters, almost dumped it because of poor electronic setups (my fault for trying to do it without help).
I use a HC3sX, first on flybared, then converted to FBL. What a difference, plus all those pesky FB parts and linkages are gone.
For poor pilots like me the "bail out" feature is really nice on the HC3sX. But the unit is pricey, but will pay for itself in crash cost.
Paul

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02-15-2011 12:30 AM  6 years agoPost 11
Anthony.L

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The only downside to learning on FBL I can think of is upfront cost and complexity. A three axis FBL unit is double the cost of just a single axis tail gyro. Money aside there is more complexity involved in setting up a FBL unit and might be overwhelming for a newcomer just getting started in the hobby. However I argue if you can follow directions, then you can setup the new Mikado Vbar v5.0 software which is greatly improved over previous versions.

A couple big advantages to FBL; more power from the same power system, less parts to replace in the event of a crash, and does provide some "assistance" while flying that will help you concentrate on learning.

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02-15-2011 12:42 AM  6 years agoPost 12
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GO NOBAR OR GO HOME!!!!

Simplest of simple of all sytems.

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02-15-2011 02:42 AM  6 years agoPost 13
Rotowerkz

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The problem with NOBAR is that it is not for n00bs. Trying to tune pitching tendencies out with appropriate blade selection, etc. is something that requires a fair amount of experience. Just learning to hover without the inherent stabilizing effect of the flybar and weighted paddles would be nearly impossible for most beginners.

I myself am intrigued by NOBAR. Someday...

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02-15-2011 03:29 AM  6 years agoPost 14
poboy

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I understand both sides! I may try a FB heli first with it setup by someone who knows how too. I can do the mechanical setup. Need help with the calmness.

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02-15-2011 03:52 AM  6 years agoPost 15
Spitfire1

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The thing that made me start thinking about fbl was only recently brought up in another thread, if it makes the heli flip like it does on the sim, then it could be as huge as flying without a HH gyro.

I think I will give it a go when I get another heli, but the setup scares me, take the HH of a gyro and its bad enough, or have the gain to high and get the tail kicking form side to side, thats what scares me if you dont have it setup correct and those same issues are also happening with not only your tail but you aileron and elevator control.

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02-15-2011 11:58 AM  6 years agoPost 16
heli-cuzz

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The problem with NOBAR is that it is not for n00bs. Trying to tune pitching tendencies out with appropriate blade selection, etc. is something that requires a fair amount of experience. Just learning to hover without the inherent stabilizing effect of the flybar and weighted paddles would be nearly impossible for most beginners.

I myself am intrigued by NOBAR. Someday...
Thanks for pointing that out meatbob.
I was being silly in my previous post and should have stated that I don't recommend it for newbs or beginners.
I will say meatbob. I've let a few friend's that know how to fly hover my NOBAR90. They were very surprised how stable and easy it is hovering.

To the OP, either FB or FBL will require a learning curve.
IMO setting up a flybar comparing to a stab unit is on the easier side, but I may be wrong about that.

Fury 55 NIB Furion6 CGY750 fbl helicopter-Frenzy CGY750 fbl nitro-Frenzy fbl NOBAR90

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02-16-2011 07:24 PM  6 years agoPost 17
chopper_crazy

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you will love flybarless just make sure you have help getting set up.

It's a complex, costly, glow powered anti-gravity machine!

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02-16-2011 08:39 PM  6 years agoPost 18
Scott Anderson

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Alan, I would be glad to help with any setup needs or flight instructions. You got my number just send me a text or a call.

My personal preference is a flybar, I love the look of fbl but don't not like the feel in flight. To answer the question yes you can learn forward flight on a fbl. The only set back is not only learning to fly the machine there will be a learning curve on properly adjusting the fbl unit. I would say stay with a flybar until you are comfortable flying again and also comfortable working on and setting up your heli, then advancing on to fbl head.

Like I said call me anytime, scott

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02-16-2011 09:23 PM  6 years agoPost 19
rcfrey

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Glad you liked the 6hv.

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02-16-2011 09:31 PM  6 years agoPost 20
poboy

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Really like your setup Bob! It got me interested in heli's again!! Thanks scott. I thought you sold all your stuff!

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