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02-16-2011 05:26 AM  6 years agoPost 41
RappyTappy

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You probably thinks its the lipo...or the tail servo
never seen a tail servo go up in flames during a flight. And I've never seen a lipo go up in flames during a normal flight unless it was damaged before. ESC's however, I have seen more than enough failures of brands to know that they are more prone to failing than other components, to me that is the weakest link on electric helis and has been for quite some time.don't really know what you were getting at other than trying to call me out or something I dunno but whatever.

as far as placement, I still don't like esc's that can't be mounted on the outside of the airframe and away from anything critical. With the amps electrics are commanding the esc's are being worked pretty hard with technology that is still lagging in my opinion. Like I said, its just my thoughts on the subject and I'll never mount a esc like that on a high powered 12S heli.

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02-16-2011 05:53 AM  6 years agoPost 42
Heliguychris

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You and me both R/T..... actually had fireballs with 90E`s so dont need to be told twice on that one

Mounting a ESC in the frame is all fine and dandy, till the thing cooks off.

If i had of mounted my esc in the ENV , in the frames, there is no way i could of got to it to put it out, with a handfull of sand like i did, and save my model. Mine went up like nothing ive seen a esc do.... like in the vid i have of it, if you frame by frame it, you can clearly see a fireball like 10 inches wide, but due to it location, not one componet was ruined, despite 20 seconds of sizzle and pop.

Buried in a frame, you have no hope, and your heli will be a puddle of melted plastic.

You crazy kids keep arguing that one all day long, i got K3`s to practise. Later.

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02-16-2011 12:54 PM  6 years agoPost 43
Supercoolheli

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thanks for the advice guys. with my new ESC, maybe I'll consider a different placement. there's no question that on the battery tray it is easiest to connect it to the motor but I'm sure it's still possible with some thinking. I was thinking maybe above the front tail case maybe? if the side of the frames REALLY has a benefit then let me know but it just looks really wierd to me. also looks wierd on the tail case but I guess I gotta do what I gotta do

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02-16-2011 01:48 PM  6 years agoPost 44
2004lsc

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If you get a kontronik you can put it inside the frame

You dont have to worry about them blowing up. Yes, I've heard of them failing. But no going up in flames like Castle.

And back to R/T. I was just messin w ya....But how could u not think that the esc in an electric heli is not the heart of the system???

Not saying it doesnt fail. But it sure is the most important thing and the MOST important piece to NOT go cheap on.

Get cheap servos, lipos, hell, even a Scorpion motor .

But not the ESC!! Run Castle, n ur sh!t will fail.

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02-16-2011 07:08 PM  6 years agoPost 45
Santiago P

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Run Castle, n ur sh!t will fail.
Now thats considering brand bashing. No one argue about the kontronik being superior, but they are not infalable and fail too. But to assume that most or all CC esc will fail or catch fire is BS. I know of a handful of guys running the CC HV 80 ICE with several hundred flights with no issues.

Granted there may be an issue with the CC 160.

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02-16-2011 10:12 PM  6 years agoPost 46
Supercoolheli

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yeah exactly. Watching videos of top guys (Nick in particular) is making me think that it was just a fluke. Still havn't decided 100% which ESC to use now but i got time .

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02-16-2011 11:28 PM  6 years agoPost 47
2004lsc

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^^^

I seen a deal on a BNIB cc 160hv....

You should jump on it!!
And this summer, when u have total loss. Think, all I had to do was pay $220 more n I could of had a Jive. No I'm out $1500.

Look at what your out now from a Castle ESC. !!!!! $500?? More??

Buy Castle again....some people never learn.

I'm not saying they r junk. But they do not work well in a 90 sized heli. 35% planes, sure....

Not 90 sized heli's!! To much amp draw.

Castle is not ready for this. They threw their ice esc's out there without extensive testing. They tested for like 8 months.
Now people r out lots of money!!

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02-16-2011 11:32 PM  6 years agoPost 48
Supercoolheli

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a reasonable argument, but what would you have to say about pilots thrashing them around without problems, like Nick or Kyle Stacey? I'm sure there are more but honestly those guys don't hold anything back on their ESCs and i don't see theirs blowing up?

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02-17-2011 12:29 AM  6 years agoPost 49
RappyTappy

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Well, a sponsored pilot is just that, sponsored. If the esc fails and it burns down the heli, just a few calls and parts are on the way no sweat off their back. and if it did fail on them but not in public, they sure as heck ain't gonna go telling everyone about it and ruin their sponsorship. I've known plenty of guys with sponsored stuff that they got for free which kept them flying, but if they were spending their money on it they wouldn't buy it.

Anyway I do agree that Kontronik as a whole is much better esc than castle its really not fiction but fact, but at quite a bit more cost. I'd rather spend more upfront and have a better chance of keeping my stuff in good condition than pick through charred remains though.

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02-17-2011 12:34 AM  6 years agoPost 50
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hmm interesting points, thanks for the advice guys. I'm still not going to make a decision yet, but i'm wondering, does the Kontronik have a built in governor like the Castle does? I really liked that about the HV160. Also, is there any way at all of programming it? That's another reason i'd consider giving Castle another chance.

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02-17-2011 12:55 AM  6 years agoPost 51
wrongler

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Hi Eric,
Very sorry about your heli, We have talked a few times and from what I can gather you seem like you are a pretty good kid. I have a brand new CC 160 HV I bought for my 600se. Because of your bad luck, and If you are going to use the 160 again Im willing to let you name the price you want to pay for it, And I will ship it!

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02-17-2011 12:58 AM  6 years agoPost 52
OICU812

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Kontronik has the best governor there is Eric also a quality built in BEC as well, and the programming is well... painless in comparison.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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02-17-2011 01:00 AM  6 years agoPost 53
Supercoolheli

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OICU812, thanks for the info. I had heard great things about the BEC (although i'd probably stick with my unregulated Hyperion LiFe), but i had not heard anything about a governor. That's cool that there is a governor but i'm not sure about the lack of programability. I'll definatley do a lot more research before i make a desision

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02-17-2011 02:49 AM  6 years agoPost 54
benben

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This is how I mount the HV160 on the ENV

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02-17-2011 03:08 AM  6 years agoPost 55
Supercoolheli

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yeah that's how i am going to mount mine next time. Did you connect the wires over the motor? If not, how did you get the motor leads around in a way that they don't touch the case?

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02-17-2011 06:16 AM  6 years agoPost 56
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The motor wires goes through the plastic frame brace.

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02-17-2011 08:56 AM  6 years agoPost 57
Heliguychris

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Jive this Castle that. There is a third option. Try a Hacker 125 Masterspin, and get the jetibox. For programming, and giglling at your *peak* volts/amps

Same pull and gov as KT, but the price of castle.

Thats just my suggestion

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02-17-2011 03:11 PM  6 years agoPost 58
2004lsc

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http://www.aero-model.com/Hacker-Br...5-OPTO-ESC.aspx

Same price as Castle??

For a few bucks more you could get a Jive 80+HV

The gov is by far the best I've EVER used.

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02-17-2011 04:18 PM  6 years agoPost 59
Santiago P

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Supercoolheli and ALL Castle USERS

Did you knew about this:

http://www.castlecreations.com/supp...advisories.html

Don't want to see anyone go through the same.

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02-17-2011 10:31 PM  6 years agoPost 60
Supercoolheli

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correct me if i'm wrong but that service advisory is very outdated, and to correct it, they released a repair kit (along with manufacturing future controllers pre-repaired) with an added shrink wrap and extra protective case holding it more securely. And my ESC was in fact this revised model.

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