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02-20-2011 07:05 AM  6 years agoPost 141
Phaedrus

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I have not seen nor heard of any talk from within the FAA about requiring any kind of pilot certification for recreational model operations. The whole point of what they are doing is to define the line between us and those that likely WILL require certification.

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02-20-2011 06:14 PM  6 years agoPost 142
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Finally SOME GOOD NEWS out of WASHINGTON DC

Just protect what we have and always keep an eye to the sky and and ear to the ground.

The U.S. Senate adopted S. Amdt. 86 by unanimous consent. This amendment denies the FAA the ability to regulate model airplanes.

http://inhofe.senate.gov/public/ind...on_id=&Issue_id

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02-20-2011 06:19 PM  6 years agoPost 143
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Finally SOME GOOD NEWS out of WASHINGTON DC
Just protect what we have and always keep an eye to the sky and and ear to the ground.

The U.S. Senate adopted S. Amdt. 86 by unanimous consent. This amendment denies the FAA the ability to regulate model airplanes.
Yep already posted a page back. This was spearheaded by the AMA and Dave Matthewson.
For those of you that question what the AMA is doing... check this out.

"Senate passes bill to exempt recreational aeromodeling from federal regulations!"

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M U N C I E, I N – Sen. James Inhofe, OK, successfully sponsored S.223 in the Senate yesterday with an amendment specifying a “Special Rule For Model Aircraft” that provides an exemption from regulation for model aircraft operating within the following parameters:

 Flown specifically for recreational, sport, competition, or academic purposes;

 Operated in accordance with a community-based set of safety guidelines within the programming of a nationwide community-based organization;

 Limited to 55 pounds or less unless certified through a design, construction, inspection, flight test, and operational safety program currently administered by a community-based organization.

The bill now moves to the House... but I would expect a similar outcome.

Congrats to Dave Matthewson... this is great news.

So how about some of you naysayers join the AMA and support what they fight for????

Full press release here

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02-20-2011 06:29 PM  6 years agoPost 144
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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That is great news. Thanks for posting.

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02-20-2011 06:41 PM  6 years agoPost 145
Stephen Born

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Well, we all stuck together and got through it. I want to thank EVERYONE who posted on this thread. There has been a lot of input by a lot of our RR members, which shows that we really do LOVE our hobby.
It is not a matter of if, but a matter of when this will happen again to our hobby, we should fight for our rights to fly.
Be safe flying guys!

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02-20-2011 10:04 PM  6 years agoPost 146
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Also keep in mind that there is a House version of this as well.

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h658/show

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:h.r.00658:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/...JjBFz:e171795:

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02-21-2011 12:35 AM  6 years agoPost 147
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fwiw..

I am hoping I am not dreaming this...Did we really win a battle??
My hat, again, is off to the AMA, Mr. Matthewson, and Mr.Hanson.

Thank you.

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02-21-2011 01:21 AM  6 years agoPost 148
Phaedrus

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The House version does not contain any special language pertaining to model aircraft. It is also not as far along in the process. What normally happens now in the two version go to a conference committee which tries to reconcile the two bills. The House will vote on that one.

So the war is not yet won. And even then it is not completely clear how these bills impact the sUAS rule the FAA is writing. In fact, the House bill requires them to write such a rule.

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02-21-2011 02:17 AM  6 years agoPost 149
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fwiw..

Like the man said..."It ain't over 'till it's over"...But this is a glimmer of hope, and apparently the AMA has the ear(s) of at least a few in Washington.....

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02-21-2011 02:24 AM  6 years agoPost 150
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...apparently the AMA has the ear(s) of at least a few in Washington.....
It goes to show you that the AMA is really a lobbying group protecting the rights of modelers.

Hopefully this will get some people to join and support the AMA... regardless of where or how they fly.

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02-22-2011 04:04 PM  6 years agoPost 151
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This is from another group that I follow;

>>>I'll be pleased to wrong about this if that proves to be the case, but I'm not thinking I am based upon what I've been hearing from my
compatriots in the industry.<<<

Now that I have a little time to elaborate on what I said yesterday, let me explain. I bumped into a former colleague in the uav industry the other day who has transferred to another company active in uav development. He told me that the Feds aren't nearly as interested in rc hobbyists flying model airplanes as they are with companies that are designing and flying multi-role, longer range uavs and labeling them "model airplanes" during the development phase in order to skirt around the more stringent rules regulating uavs. I'm paraphrasing what was said somewhat, but this is the basically the bottom line to the conversation we had.

Therefore it's my understanding that we hobbyists aren't really the target of the new FAA ruling per se, but we're facing collateral damage if all the proposals are ratified. That's why I used the tail wagging the dog analogy which is the one my associate used when we discussed the matter. He added that AMA hobbyists are miniscule in comparison to the other entities potentially affected by the proposals.

I'm not saying this source is the be all, end all arbiter of truth, but we spoke for quite awhile and everything he told me made perfect sense and jives with my own experience in the field. The company he works for currently is following the situation very closely for their own reasons.

So the reader may want to have this in mind when doing any lobbying. This is why I don't think the AMA's decision to accommodate larger giant scale models will likely matter with the Feds one way or the other. Model aircraft remaining in predictable close proximity to their host airfield and flying at their typical lower altitudes, even if they're larger scale, aren't considered the potential threat that uav aircraft are that have the ability to fly autonomously at higher altitudes for longer distances. This is a primary distinction as I understand it and that's why there are attempts to close the model airplane designation "loophole" for operators of uavs.

So it seems we want to encourage lawmakers to remain mindful that model airplanes flying under AMA guidelines at local clubs need to remain distinct, separate and exempt from rules governing defense contractors developing uav technology. I suppose it's as simple as saying do whatever you want to "them" but please leave "us" alone for all the reasons you want to provide them with!

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02-22-2011 04:33 PM  6 years agoPost 152
Phaedrus

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Everything that the AMA has written and that can be gleaned from what the FAA has said and done indicates that it really is the case that we are no the target, just the collateral damage. however, at some level it is small comfort knowing that you may not be able to enjoy your hobby simply because someone else was abusing the regulations.

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02-23-2011 02:04 AM  6 years agoPost 153
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Andrew, I've been working in the UAV industry for over 7 years now, and I have seen all this come about first hand...when the LA police flew their "Sky-See-r" UAV over the city back in 05 or so, and when the Palm Bay, FL police dept purchased a Cyber bug system from Cyber Defense Systems for use in accident investigations and surveillance.

Your colleague is dead on. I haven't really ever had any thought about regulation upon the modeling community, as I have always known it was safe. Where my mind is at is how will the new regs affect my job and livelihood as a worker in the industry. I don't think it will be a huge negative impact, either. It will finally give us some real rules to work with, rather than sneak around like some group of boot-leggers.

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02-23-2011 08:51 PM  6 years agoPost 154
Stephen Born

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Your right ErichF. But I do think anyone that does fly a heli, needs to be a member of AMA.

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02-23-2011 10:17 PM  6 years agoPost 155
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HOT OFF THE PRESS!!!!

AMA Works to Amend Reauthorization Bill Providing Relief for Model Aviation from sUAS Rules

M U N C I E, I N – Sen. James Inhofe, OK, successfully sponsored S.223 in the Senate yesterday with an amendment specifying a “Special Rule For Model Aircraft” that provides an exemption from regulation for model aircraft operating within the following parameters:
Flown specifically for recreational, sport, competition, or academic purposes;
Operated in accordance with a community-based set of safety guidelines within the programming of a nationwide community-based organization;
Limited to 55 pounds or less unless certified through a design, construction, inspection, flight test, and operational safety program currently administered by a community-based organization.
“On behalf of our 140,000 members I want to thank Senator Inhofe for helping to preserve model aviation,” said Academy of Model Aeronautics President Dave Mathewson. “Aeromodeling is an exceptional family recreational and education activity that has traditionally been a stepping stone for our children to careers in aviation and aerospace. With the Senator’s help we hope model aviation will continue to help provide that impetus for future generations of engineers, pilots and astronauts.”
Mathewson also thanked Chairman Jay Rockefeller and Ranking Republican Kay Bailey Hutchinson for shepherding the bill and the model aircraft provision through the Senate. The bill now moves to the House of Representatives, which is expected to rule on the matter in the very near future.
AMA has contended that the purpose and operation of model aircraft flown for recreational purposes is uniquely different from the operation of the growing number of commercial small unmanned aircraft systems (sUAS) for which the FAA is drafting regulation. Aeromodelers operating under AMA’s guidelines have earned a reputation of being one of the safest, if not the safest users of the National Airspace System. This exemplary safety record spans more than 75 years.
The Academy of Aeronautics, founded in 1936, charters 2,400 clubs across the country, sanctioning more than 2,000 events and competitions as a member of the National Aeronautic Association. It is dedicated to promoting aeromodeling as a recreational, competitive and academic pursuit.
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02-23-2011 10:47 PM  6 years agoPost 156
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Your right ErichF. But I do think anyone that does fly a heli, needs to be a member of AMA.
Agreed. Strength in numbers.

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02-23-2011 11:21 PM  6 years agoPost 157
Phaedrus

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Please follow this link and send a letter to both of your Senators and your Representative in the House. It's super easy to use:

http://amagov.modelaircraft.org/4077

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02-24-2011 04:16 AM  6 years agoPost 158
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Done !!

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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03-01-2011 11:21 PM  6 years agoPost 159
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"You are the 860th person from Illinois to sign this petition!"
Just sent to Senator Dick Durbin and Senator Aaron Schock.

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