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02-18-2011 07:23 PM  6 years agoPost 121
koppter

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it's been said before, but bears repeating. the faa is not "coming to the party" because of threat to the public posed by rc aircraft. the faa makes its decisions based on actuarial evidence, and statistically, model aviation is all but invisible. requring a license to fly a toy airplane does not serve any public interest or need. the safety argument has been created by modelers, not the FAA. the FAA needs a system whereby models are identified as models, flown by hobbyists, and not as autonomous aircraft, or miniature aircraft used for commercial purposes.

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02-18-2011 08:19 PM  6 years agoPost 122
Santiago P

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I have a full scale license issued by the FAA. It is a lifetime certificate indicating I am capable of safely operating a single engine fixed wing aircraft. Why not something similar for RC?
BECAUSE if you do that you will have to set standards for proficiency and currency.

If you have not flown whatever your pilot certificate holds, you just cannot jump on an airplane and fly, right?
You got to get checked by a CFI, then fly your minimuns to get any restrictions out of the way, THEN fly on your own.

You want that for RC?
Who's gonna be the RC CFIs?
Logs would be required, jada jada jada...

Don't wish upon a star, or you may get more "CHANGE"
FAA. the FAA needs a system whereby models are identified as models, flown by hobbyists, and not as autonomous aircraft, or miniature aircraft used for commercial purposes.
Trust me, we are working on it!

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02-18-2011 08:45 PM  6 years agoPost 123
hobby_man

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If you have not flown what ever your pilot certificate holds, you just cannot jump on an airplane and fly, right?

Negative

my lic. says single engine land, as far as the FAA, I can fly ANY single engine land plane, per the definition in FARAIM

No high performance, no retracts, no constant speed prop.

so I can fly for example a Grumman aa5a, aa1b, Cessna 152, 172,150

Piper 140 etc.

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02-18-2011 08:52 PM  6 years agoPost 124
thorpdrvr

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You still need to remain current so it isn't exactly a lifetime license without requirements. Three takeoff and landings within 90 days to carry passengers and a biennial flight review to fly by yourself.

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02-18-2011 09:00 PM  6 years agoPost 125
Santiago P

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Negative

my lic. says single engine land, as far as the FAA, I can fly ANY single engine land plane, per the definition in FARAIM

No high performance, no retracts, no constant speed prop.

so I can fly for example a Grumman aa5a, aa1b, Cessna 152, 172,150

Piper 140 etc.

You missed the point my post. I never mentioned rating.

There are standards for currency! If you have not flown in a while you dont go out fly by yourself buddy.

We dont want that for recreational RC flying.

Time you review the FARS you were tested on.

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02-18-2011 09:45 PM  6 years agoPost 126
hobby_man

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currency! which I never mentioned!
Bi-annual flight review, night currency, 3 TGO at night so on and so on

I was referig to the definiton os (single engine land)

WOW tough crowd!

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02-18-2011 09:49 PM  6 years agoPost 127
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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Why not just a knowledge certificate, like a "Hunter's Safety Course" or something similar?

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02-18-2011 10:59 PM  6 years agoPost 128
Juggernaut

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I have a Ham radio license, this permits me to communicate to another ham radio near by or distance. Almost all equipment now is manufactured within tight tolerances. The only real danger is with high power equipment above 100 watts.
we have to complete an exam to ensure me meet competency and know the rules and regulations, but once we obtain the license it's for life.
Even to purchase ham radio gear we have to provide them our call sign and then they verify with your drivers license just to make sure the names matches the database. Once they get to know you they don't bother.
I don't see why they cannot do the same, just to make sure you know the rules, regulations and safety. This can be done along with the AMA insurance.
the test and administration like Ham radio is free.
Once approved by the AMA, you get you wings designation and you are set for life. This is especially useful for newcomers who do not know all the in's and outs, do's and do not's.

example how to start a nitro heli ( one hand on the blades for safety )
what does "C" means on a LiPo
dangers of overcharging a LiPo

list goes on and on
Just read on the Beginners corner

I know there will be folks will balk at it. I see this this as an an opportunity for the AMA to provide to the FCC we have rules and regulations and we verify they are qualified. currently it's just send them money and you're accepted no questions asked.

There are a few clubs that require you to prove to them you are qualified, before you are permitted to fly on your own, basically get your wings.
Why not make it universal, this will probably get the FCC off our backs



Finally learned to fly inverted, Helps if you stand on your head

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02-19-2011 02:15 AM  6 years agoPost 129
drdot

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So. California,​Orange County.

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fwiw..

Anyone have any stats on what percentage of the modeling public even knows about the FAA?...Or the AMA?
Of that percentage, how many care?

With the advent of 2.4 radios, the technologic genie is out of the bottle...How much money will the Feds spent tracking down them rogue modelers..?

This whole issue is absurd, and exactly what i've come to expect from our alleged government....

John.

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02-19-2011 05:26 AM  6 years agoPost 130
joec

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For those of you that question what the AMA is doing... check this out.

"Senate passes bill to exempt recreational aeromodeling from federal regulations!"
M U N C I E, I N – Sen. James Inhofe, OK, successfully sponsored S.223 in the Senate yesterday with an amendment specifying a “Special Rule For Model Aircraft” that provides an exemption from regulation for model aircraft operating within the following parameters:

 Flown specifically for recreational, sport, competition, or academic purposes;

 Operated in accordance with a community-based set of safety guidelines within the programming of a nationwide community-based organization;

 Limited to 55 pounds or less unless certified through a design, construction, inspection, flight test, and operational safety program currently administered by a community-based organization.
The bill now moves to the House... but I would expect a similar outcome.

Congrats to Dave Matthewson... this is great news.

So how about some of you naysayers join the AMA and support what they fight for????

Full press release here

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02-19-2011 05:34 AM  6 years agoPost 131
ch-47c

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san jose, ca

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I think everyone is jumping the gun. Most FAA love aviation and got their start with models. I really wish the Rutam brothers were the lead men for AMA.

Your certificates are always revokeable. If you have a Biennial Flight Review or equivelant profiency check, you still need to stay current and recent for IFR if rated and to&ldgs to carry pax.

I don't want anything like that for models. The FAA has always had a simple stayout of the way of fullscale aircraft by extremely simple restrictions attitude. They don't want to have Aviation and Maintenance Inspectors to check a bunch of models. If modelers exceed that, which they have, they'll restrict them as is necessary but not to the point of killing it unless there is no other alternate.

The FAA has had a mandate since 1958. Promote Air Safety and Air Commerce. I don't really think they will restrict models to the point you cant fly one within 100 miles from an airport or approach/departure corrodors if you are low enough. Most aircraft don't fly below 400' unless taking off or landing.

My point is, what will be gained by restricting models more than now and why? Only for those that want to integrate within the existing NAS. They have to figure out how to make it work for everyone.

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02-19-2011 05:40 AM  6 years agoPost 132
ch-47c

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Remember when we had 5 72mhz freqs and 27mhz and everyone was upset the sky was falling because the FCC was reallocating our freqs. After that we had more freqs than you could imagine and later 2.4ghz.

I wouldn't get wrapped around the axle until after we see the proposed rules in June. Too early for the "Waldo Pepper Syndrome" to set in.
My 2 cents worth.

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02-19-2011 05:52 AM  6 years agoPost 133
drdot

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fwiw..

The legislation by Sen Inhofe is HUGE!!
My hat is off to the AMA for getting this to happen this fast!!
IF this is all true, Hopefully we can all breathe a collective(pun) sigh of relief!

I still want to see the final outcome, but this is the best news I've seen on this issue in a LONG time..

Again, AMA....Thanks.

John.

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02-19-2011 07:01 AM  6 years agoPost 134
slickporsche

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New FAA rule for model aircraft in summer​2011*

The FAA will do what it wants like the entire U.S. government. We simply are not a free people like we used to be many years ago. We are led to believe we are,but it is just propaganda.

America really needs a major uprising, and more than likely a full blown revolution to take back our republic.

THe AMA is not unlike our government in that it too is a frikken control freak and truthfully does not do as much for us as it would like us to think. Just like our government. Enough is Enough it is all too much.

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02-19-2011 07:13 AM  6 years agoPost 135
FILE IFR

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If you have not flown what ever your pilot certificate holds, you just cannot jump on an airplane and fly, right?
Negative

so I can fly for example a Grumman aa5a, aa1b, Cessna 152, 172,150
Piper 140 etc.
Wrong. Quite the contrary, you DO need to be checked out in each model of aircraft... check the FARs, if you have trouble finding it, I'd be delighted to PM you the chapter.

Fly safe and fly legal

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02-19-2011 08:13 AM  6 years agoPost 136
ch-47c

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Please post the chapter, paragraph and subparagraph. Sorry, I just can't find it.

Unless FARs have changed significantly recently, I don't recall a FAR that requires a checkout in every model of aircraft. Only for an additional certificate in Category or Rating or an endorsement. Some FBOs company policy or insurance requires a checkout for insurance warranty or money(rare). If you are checked out in a PA-28-140, you're good for a 151, 161, 181, but not a PA-28-236 or a Piper Arrow. Those airplanes have either a constant-speed prop or that and retractable landing gear and needs an endorsement. If you checkout in a PA-28-236 or a Arrow, you can fly the PA-28-140 thru 181. If only the Arrow, then all PA-28s , but if only the 236 then all except the Arrow. Hershey Bar wing or not.

If you are certificated in Airplane Single-Engine Land, you can fly any SEL Airplane unless you need an endorsement such as Complex, High-Performance, Tail-Wheel, or Pressurized, unless it's a turbojet or requires a Type-Rating due to GTOW. Don't know about other Categories besides Airplane.
Wrong. Quite the contrary, you DO need to be checked out in each model of aircraft... check the FARs, if you have trouble finding it, I'd be delighted to PM you the chapter.

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02-19-2011 02:48 PM  6 years agoPost 137
cheezdog

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Money and GREED,thats all the gov't is all about.Just like judges and lawyers!

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02-19-2011 04:22 PM  6 years agoPost 138
4 stroke flyer

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Money and GREED,thats all the gov't is all about.Just like judges and lawyers!
Most politician's started out as a lawyer,or judge first. Thats how they get that way.

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02-19-2011 11:01 PM  6 years agoPost 139
Santiago P

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Got to love this chase your tail internet forum talk.

I believe everyone here knows the rules, we just misundestood each others previous post and the replies poured.

I was talking about if you do not fly in a while, or flown night in a long time, at least I have to go out with an instructor to be allow to rent an airplane, or do your minimun night take off and landings by yourself before you can carry folks at night, etc.
hobby_man was just talking about rating(s) in general.
Some FBOs company policy or insurance requires a checkout for insurance warranty or money(rare). If you are checked out in a PA-28-140, you're good for a 151, 161, 181, but not a PA-28-236 or a Piper Arrow. Those airplanes have either a constant-speed prop or that and retractable landing gear and needs an endorsement. If you checkout in a PA-28-236 or a Arrow, you can fly the PA-28-140 thru 181. If only the Arrow, then all PA-28s , but if only the 236 then all except the Arrow. Hershey Bar wing or not.
Yes, I get that. I learned in a PA-28-161 Warrior. Then for fun, I used and older Cherokee 6 (Hershey Bar wing). Both Cherokees, but very diferent behaving animals.
My FBO required checks on anything that was very diferent, like from a Warrior to an Arrow, or from a taperwing to a Hershey Bar wing, because they stalled VERY diferent.

The point we all want to make is that WE DO NOT WANT THIS IN COMMOM RC MODELS.

AMA is already making distinction from common power to turbines or giant scale over 55 lbs. If another class with remarked "liability" potential arises, it would provably merit a rating like turbines do. But hopefully nothing dificult or FAA-ish like.

Santiago

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02-20-2011 06:57 AM  6 years agoPost 140
ch-47c

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You have that right. Next thing you know, we have to get a ferry permit or can't fly unless it's VFR mins.
The point we all want to make is that WE DO NOT WANT THIS IN COMMOM RC MODELS.

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