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01-13-2011 08:04 PM  7 years agoPost 1
Chris Bergen

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Anyone else read this???
A delegation of nine state legislators from Sonora was in Tucson on Tuesday to state that Arizona 's new Employer Sanctions Law will have a devastating effect on the Mexican state. At a news conference, the legislators said that Sonora, - Arizona's southern neighbor - made up of mostly small towns -cannot handle the demand for housing, jobs and schools that it will face as Mexican workers return to their Mexican hometowns from the USA without jobs or money.

The Arizona law, which took effect Jan. 1, punishes Arizona employers who knowingly hire individuals without valid legal documents to work in the United States . Penalties include suspension of, or loss of, their business license.

The Mexican legislators are angry because their own citizens are returning to their hometowns, placing a burden on THEIR state government. 'How can Arizona pass a law like this?' asked Mexican Rep Leticia Amparano-Gamez, who represents Nogales . 'There is not one person living in Sonora who does not have a friend or relative working in Arizona ,' she said, speaking in Spanish. 'Mexico is not prepared for this; for the tremendous problems it will face as more and more Mexicans working in Arizona and who were sending money to their families return to their home-towns in Sonora without jobs,' she said. 'We are one family, socially and economically,' she said of the people of Sonora and Arizona.

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01-13-2011 08:26 PM  7 years agoPost 2
griz2575

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I give AZ alot of credit.

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01-13-2011 08:35 PM  7 years agoPost 3
dilberteinstein

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Thank you Arizona!

90% of life is "showing up"

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01-13-2011 08:52 PM  7 years agoPost 4
helo_chris

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This:
'Mexico is not prepared for this; for the tremendous problems it will face as more and more Mexicans working in Arizona and who were sending money to their families return to their home-towns in Sonora without jobs,'
Should be this:
'Arizona is not prepared for this; for the tremendous problems it will face as more and more Mexicans work in Arizona and who are sending money to their families in Mexico put more Arizonians out of work, and drain money from our economy'
I for one hope they stick to their guns and not back down from the federales. US or Mexican.

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01-13-2011 11:02 PM  7 years agoPost 5
rcsoar4fun

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Too bad American's won't understand that Mexico is mad because they have been outsourcing their poverty all these years.

Here is the article BTW:
http://www.azcentral.com/news/artic...tions16-on.html

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01-14-2011 02:11 AM  7 years agoPost 6
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fwiw...

Awwwww...Bummer fer 'em....

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01-14-2011 02:47 AM  7 years agoPost 7
windy62

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Wow. How can they not grasp the hypocrisy in these statements.

UNf'inbelieveable...

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01-14-2011 03:07 AM  7 years agoPost 8
baby uh1

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Why don't they just go to Cal. instead? Oh that's right, they are trying to escape from an area impoverished by socialist policies, not move to one.

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01-14-2011 03:17 AM  7 years agoPost 9
Dennis (RIP)

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You know. It is hypocritical of them to be angry about getting their own citizens back in their own country.

However, what we are dealing with is a piss poor leadership on our side that continues to keep our borders open and unopposed, and a Mexican government that is extremely corrupt with corruption the standard throughout their entire culture for generations.

Speaking for myself, I don't blame the Mexican people themselves. The lions share are just trying to do better for themselves and their families. And, they know where to achieve that. The criminals are not cool. But, they are the exception and not the rule.

Its both our governments that are letting them down and letting us down. Its our responsibility to be responsible on our end. Since our federal government is not willing to be responsible, then its up to the states. Thats why AZ in getting sued by the Obama admin. The states are simply trying to be responsible. Ultimately it may be up to the Supreme Court.

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01-14-2011 06:22 AM  7 years agoPost 10
Flying Tivo

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Not about SB 1070

This was a few years back 2008 and not related to the new Arizona law!
[url=http://http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/mexicoangry.asp]

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01-16-2011 11:35 AM  7 years agoPost 11
Tintin

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Any of you guys been to Mexico?

Anyhow, how much of the work the Mexicans do in Arizona are the Arizonians actually willing to do themselves at the wages the Mexicans are paid? Just wondering.

We hear the same argument here regularely, I don't think even one of those using the argument are prepared to pick strawberrys or wash my toilet....

You do realize US companies make money from selling them stuff?

I was recently there and it does seem your car industry does quite a lot of business down there, along with the arms industry and several others. Wonder what the effect would be if they started buying elsewhere.

On the bottom line the problem isn't the Mexicans wanting to work, it's the US citizens the hire them.....your call

The Mexicans I met were a friendly, hard working bunch (well maybe except for the cops, they seemed to be doing nada all day) If you want to help yourself, set up more industry down there. The problem isn't socialism, more like lack of work and corruption.

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01-16-2011 12:15 PM  7 years agoPost 12
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right and wrong. The problem Tin, is that we won't do the work the Mexicans are doing FOR THE WAGES THAT THE MEXICANS ARE DOING IT FOR.
And THAT is the problem. They drive down wages. Why can they work so cheap??? Because they don't pay taxes and 1/2 of their family that lives with them gets all kinds of free benefits.
And we do have industry down there. That's the other part of the problem. We outsource our jobs to them because of the same reasons I stated and that you stated.
I think we would be much better off to deport every single one of them and use that money saved to somehow help Mexico build itself up to the point where they won't NEED to come here anymore. Either that, or post a Marine with a .50cal every 100 feet on the border. Your choice.

PS - Yes, most Mexicans are nice people. I've worked alongside many.

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01-16-2011 12:31 PM  7 years agoPost 13
Tintin

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Yup, that's exactly what I said. You are not willing to work for the wages they get, so what's the problem? US citizens are not going to pay you more. They can do it partly because many of them don't pay taxes. Who's fault is that? Not sure how it's with you, here that can only be done if the Norwegian employer pays under the table. That would be who's fault you think?

I know very well you have industry down there, I actually work mainly with an American product, where many of the parts are marked "Made in Mexico". They would be too expensive if you were to make them, none would buy. And don't tell me they drive down wages by not paying tax again. The pricelevel in Mexico is quite different both from yours and certainly ours.

I agree Mexico should build themselves up, but actually that's where you should offer help (and others of course) On the other hand, as they do, you cannot stay in the same line of business they create, you have to move to more complex/high cost alternatives...

“Getting an inch of snow is like winning 10 cents in the lottery.”

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01-16-2011 12:41 PM  7 years agoPost 14
fla heli boy

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Oh, I agree. We are mostly to blame. If dip**** business owners wouldn't hire illegals, the problem would be solved. There's only one way to get them out of here and that is to starve them out. Pass laws that make it so expensive to get caught hiring an illegal that nobody would even THINK about doing it. If they have no work, they'll go home eventually.
It's already started. Read the original post. They don't even want their own people back.

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01-16-2011 12:45 PM  7 years agoPost 15
Tintin

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And I can understand that, there is no work for them in Mehiko

“Getting an inch of snow is like winning 10 cents in the lottery.”

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01-16-2011 02:15 PM  7 years agoPost 16
fla heli boy

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no, going to a time share condo for 2 weeks. I'm worried about heir safety. They're very "American" looking.

edit: sorry, misunderstood your reply. But it's high time the Mexicans started taking care of their own instead of just shipping them to us to take care of.

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01-16-2011 03:15 PM  7 years agoPost 17
Tintin

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Depending on where they are going of course, but I wouldn't worry much. They're probably not more american looking than most Europeans, I couldn't tell most americans from the Europeans in Valle, except for that odd super-size dude of course. (Not too many of those that fly and Valle is a flying site for most non-mexicans)

Our guys would trot along alone, completely p..issed, no problem even when they fell asleep on the sidewalk or outside our gate (which was pretty easy to open) we didn't even lock our door to the cabana even if plenty of money, computers, cameras etc was lying around in the open.

A few years back when a guy from the club was there for the first time he landed in a field alone. As usual a bunch of mexican kids turned up to help him pack his glider for a small fee. He didn't trust them and did it himself. As he was leaving the field a kid came running after him shouting: "mr, mr you lost your wallet" All was in it untill he had bought Coca Colas for the whole bunch :-)

Another true story is about the local police. One of the guys left his video camera in a taxi. He remembered just as it took off, went over the street and asked the police if they could help. They went after the taxi with the lights on, back in 10 minutes asking: "It is a very expensive camera?" Our naive friend said "Yes, very" so they said, "Good, you can have it back for 5000 pesos"....

Valle might be special since it's where rich Mexicans from Mexico City go for weekends and holidays, a LOT of Police around, but we never felt unsafe.

“Getting an inch of snow is like winning 10 cents in the lottery.”

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01-16-2011 10:10 PM  7 years agoPost 18
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I think the US should take over Mexico as one of our States and most problems will be solved. You have to look at it this way, these people are only try to eat and live why put a man out like that. There the only people that will do jobs that the low income people use to do. I ask you do you like grapes and wine and Orange juice well if you do you better keep the Mexicans over here? All men are created equal in God's eyes,remember that.

Thanks and just set back and give it some thought.
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01-16-2011 10:25 PM  7 years agoPost 19
Dennis (RIP)

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I think the US should take over Mexico as one of our States and most problems will be solved.
That would be a tall challenge as Mexico is one of the most corrupt nations in the world with corruption very much a part of their culture for many generations.
All men are created equal in God's eyes,remember that.
Of course they are.

Corruption built into a nations culture for generations, does not make them less equal. It just makes them corrupt. Only Mexico can change that. And, that the change can't happen overnight. But, it does have to have a meaningful beginning in all areas of that culture.

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01-17-2011 01:45 AM  7 years agoPost 20
baby uh1

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Why in the world is the welfare of Mexico our problem? They have no problem telling us where to go on every issue that comes around so we should just tell them to take a leap! We will send them aid of course and of course their crooked politicians will take it for themselves. Instead of comming up here and living off of our government they should be demanding that their government should spend their oil money on the people of their country.

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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