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01-12-2011 12:45 PM  7 years agoPost 21
blade slayer

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V BAR 5.0 ... you can set up different banks on the software and change the way the heli flies by flipping a swith on your radio while flying. ho yeah you also ditch the receiver with the v bar and the tail holding power is one of the best in the market

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01-12-2011 01:21 PM  7 years agoPost 22
alfred

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V BAR 5.0 ... you can set up different banks on the software and change the way the heli flies by flipping a swith on your radio while flying. ho yeah you also ditch the receiver with the v bar and the tail holding power is one of the best in the market
You can do the same with the SK720.

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01-12-2011 03:42 PM  7 years agoPost 23
nickwap

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Don't forget the Beastx, I have 2 Beastx 700 nitros and a Vibe 50 with a Total G, Beastx is very easy to set up and IMO great value for money.
HTH Nick

"Give me another one, this one's broke!"

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01-12-2011 06:27 PM  7 years agoPost 24
T-heli

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Can anyone tell me which flybarless head would be best for a raptor 90? and can i use the futaba CGY750 system on it with a pcm jr radio ?
from what i understand it can be programmed from the on board control system?

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01-13-2011 02:46 AM  7 years agoPost 25
alfred

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Can anyone tell me which flybarless head would be best for a raptor 90? and can i use the futaba CGY750 system on it with a pcm jr radio ?
from what i understand it can be programmed from the on board control system?
All of the FBL will work.
Just go by the reports and choose the one you like.
From all accounts and history, these have been proven to work really well:

VBar.....it's the defacto
TotalG....Well, it's Curtis Y., if it's not perfect yet, it soon will be
BeastX....Just look around on the Net, seems to be the easiest to setup and also quite forgiving for vibes etc.
SK720.....from personal experience and IMHO, very touchy to vibes, especially on Nitros.
Too many vibes (forget about mounting it on a big Nitro with it's normal pads) and it will work, but all the added functions, like flight log and Self leveling won't work anymore.
Updates are too large, fixing one or a couple of issues, and then re-introducing new bugs.

The Futaba system that will come out, should work fairly well.
Futaba is not known to bring equipment to the market with major issues.
In regards to it's compatibility to other but Futaba, I don't think it will be an issue.

The remote gain adjustment via TX, which might be unavailable to anything but Futaba, is really a none issue.

What do you want?
Gain ability but constant ongoing fiddling?
Or adjust it a couple of times and it's set?

So it's not the remote gain ability that should be focused on, but rather how quick will the system get you to what you expect from it, with a minimum of fuzz.

Since Futaba is at this stage still vapor ware (it's not in the hands of the every day consumer yet), it's a moot point and if you want one now, then I would judge the systems on a scale from one to * like this:

1) VBar
2) BeastX
3) TotalG
4) SK720

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01-14-2011 02:18 AM  7 years agoPost 26
panzlflyer

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Goldsboro,NC,USA

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Gotta agree on the remote gains, never use it on either the 720 or Vbar once they are adjusted there is no need to constantly tweak.
The 720 worked just fine on my 700n, just no self level.
The one that wins the vibration race is the Nitro winner imo.

T700,450Pro,Spirit Pro,Beast+, Qav 500,Futaba18SZ

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01-15-2011 04:48 AM  7 years agoPost 27
JohnThompson

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Chesapeake, VA

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You should get what ever the others at your field have so you can all help each other.

I have flown Vbar, MicroBeast, Skookum, 3G, and SGJD flybarless systems. My personal favorites are VBar and MicroBeast. I have the MicroBeast on all my birds and love it.

JT

John
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01-15-2011 06:43 AM  7 years agoPost 28
rexxigpilot

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Florida

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Now why on earth would the CGY750 be "out of the question?" I currently use V-Bars. But, when the 750 comes out and reports indicate it is the cat's meow, I will get one. Why won't you? Brand loyalty is just plain dumb!

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01-15-2011 01:25 PM  7 years agoPost 29
blade slayer

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for me getting a CGY750 would be going backwards,with the v bar you don't need a receiver and less wires and weight,why would i add more weight on my heli by putting a receiver and more wires?
now that would be dumb . besides we all know v bar is the best and is proven technology with years in the market...

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01-15-2011 02:27 PM  7 years agoPost 30
rexxigpilot

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Florida

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Two Spektrum satellite RX's takes up more space and mounting room than a single RX like the Futaba S-Bus. One wire for connection with the Futaba S-Bus RX. Even a non-satellite Spektrum RX you only need a few, short jumper wires.

All in all, connection wires, RX and satellites RX's don't mean squat to me. It is all about how the CGY750 performs. On that, we will have to wait and see. But based on Futaba's recent performance with their 8FG, 520 and 701 gyros, brushless servos and S-Bus, it should be stellar.

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01-15-2011 02:43 PM  7 years agoPost 31
alfred

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Two Spektrum satellite RX's takes up more space and mounting room than a single RX like the Futaba S-Bus
I don't think so.

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01-15-2011 03:11 PM  7 years agoPost 32
modtron

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I don't think so.
Sorry, But yes they do.

Futaba R6203SB receiver @ 22.50mm x 37.40mm = 841.50sq.mm area.
Satelites 2 @ 20.30mm x 28.00mm = 1136.80 sq.mm area.

modtron
Oxford UK

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01-15-2011 03:14 PM  7 years agoPost 33
gorn

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Western Australia

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if you dont need a receiver, then by all means remove the satellites.

Hmmm, they ARE the receivers.
Vbar only has a "power bus" built in to handle power distribution, after the satellite RX has decoded the signal.

This thread has all gotten quite stupid in parts actually.
No I am not singling anyone in particular out.

Are we all here to argue about satellites and receivers, OR perhaps discuss the actual programming and flying benefits of each system?

Vbar does indeed have the most development time, and IS the most polished system available as of right now.
Big shoes to fill for sure.

However, I fail to see anyone going backwards by going with the Futaba system.

If you can actually feel maybe 20g extra weight of an RX, I will give you a medal
Yes I am having a joke there too

If there are issues on release, then for sure, hold off, or just stick with Vbar.

One thing I know for sure.....Futaba do not mess around with getting electronics right.
They will not rush anything to market, unlike some of the newer FBL systems.
You, the end user, will not have to pay your purchase price to be a BETA tester for them.

In closing (and whilst putting my flame suit on lol) , is it not the way a system flies, that REALLY matters?
Futaba are listening to the cry for less wiring, smaller faster etc etc.

I for one, am very excited about the coming GY750, and will be buying one out of the 1st batch to hit Oz

For the love of the hobby

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01-15-2011 03:29 PM  7 years agoPost 34
fastflyer20

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I remember one year ago post after post that Total G was going to be the best FBL system ever made. Fast forward one year and what do we have?

As they say "proof is in the pudding"

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01-15-2011 03:29 PM  7 years agoPost 35
TT2

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Nakhonsawan Thailand

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I vote for the MicroBeast and AR7100R combo. I've researched this thoroughly for an upcoming conversion. The AR700R handles the voltage regulation to the tail and throttle servos, and has a built in gov. You can also choose to run your cyclic servos regulated or non-regulated. The MicroBeast setup is the simplest and, from recent reports, the difference in flying characteristics between the MicroBeast and the VBar 5.0 boils down to personal preference.

Initially I wanted to use the VBar with two sattelites. BUT...no gov firmware available yet and you still need to regulate the voltage to the tail servo and throttle servo if you're running the cyclics unregulated.

I've talked to a few guys running the MicroBeast and AR7100R in Trex 700s and they have nothing but great things to say about it.

Weight difference between the two setups would be minimal. I have YS 3DS engines so I don't really care about a few extra grams!

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01-15-2011 04:48 PM  7 years agoPost 36
SSMKN2

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I run an sk360 on a scale Loach i have with a 4 blade head and she flies likes shes on rails

Joel
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Bell 206

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01-15-2011 11:34 PM  7 years agoPost 37
rexxigpilot

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Florida

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The MicroBeast setup is the simplest and, from recent reports, the difference in flying characteristics between the MicroBeast and the VBar 5.0 boils down to personal preference.
Not even close to being true! If you had said something like, "for the money, the Microbeast is good enough for my needs," you may be somewhat believable. You obviously have never owned any flybarless system.

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01-16-2011 02:35 AM  7 years agoPost 38
TT2

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Nakhonsawan Thailand

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rexxigpilot: You are correct. I have not flown the MicroBeast nor the VBar 5.0. I am basing my opinion on many comments from discussions and phone calls to owners of both systems and THIS THREAD.

You are obviously a VBar fanboy. Have YOU flown a MicroBeast?

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01-16-2011 02:46 AM  7 years agoPost 39
Quebec X50

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Beast x

JR NEX6, JR VIBE E8, JR VIBE NEX 50

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01-16-2011 03:50 AM  7 years agoPost 40
fastflyer20

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N. Tonawanda, NY

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I have Vbar 4, 5 full size, SK720 and BeastX. For me, Vbar 5 is close in flight characteristics, but BeastX wins, The rolls are more axial and it is easier to get the cyclic nice and quick without hurting the other flight properties. Maybe that is why Vbar is getting ready to release a mod to speed up the cyclic when the gov feature rolls out.

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