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01-11-2011 01:40 AM  7 years agoPost 1
JAYHELI

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i know i am going to open up a can of worms with this subject,but i would like some feedback, pros and cons of some of these fbl units. it is going on a larger heli and i do fly 3d.

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01-11-2011 02:41 AM  7 years agoPost 2
TrevJonez

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Subscribed. im looking to replace the 3G that is currently on my 600 and 700

Who cares... its just money...

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01-11-2011 02:50 AM  7 years agoPost 3
chopper63

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The only two systems I have not touched are Rondo and Futaba (not out yet). My vote goes to vbar. Pro - Just follow the step-by-step instruction using the computer. Con - you would need a computer to set up and to adjust (unless you buy the field control unit).

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01-11-2011 02:55 AM  7 years agoPost 4
OICU812

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You'll get all kinds of responses, so hey throw it in the pile. Vbar

Why ? My reason is this,

1.) Simple for anyone to learn and use.
2.) TONS of support on and offline. Forum here, HF, and dedicated Vstabi forum
3.) Proven as they invented it
4.) Continuos testing and improvements being made, the makers are actually themselves good pilots with many various machines.
5.) They assemble beta testors to fully test product and also to test new software and firmwar "PRIOR" to releasing the product.
6.) No need for special glues and dissambly of the units to make them work well
7.) Work very well in variety of climates
8.) Work with many different models on the market, not just Mikado
9.) Great support when in need of a problem with a unit and replacement
10.) Mr. Mel is on pager lol, well almost to everyone with Vbar it seems
11.) No need for an external RX if you run Spektrum, only satts are needed
12.) Full working support for Futaba S-Bus, works like a champ
13.) Full working governor for Electric and Nitro will be released any day, again it was fully tested by a beta team.
14.) Provide a huge fun factor and as a tip they provide a big smile

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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01-11-2011 03:00 AM  7 years agoPost 5
knightofcarnage

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chicago

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Jayheli check out this link for comparisons.

https://rc.runryder.com/helicopter/t608145p1/

But personally i would wait for the futaba cgy750. I should be out in the next 2 months. I have tried 3G,skookum720,mini vbar 5.0 pro and full version 5.0 vbar. Currently the vbar is the best hands down. Did not care too much about skookum 720 ( had very bad luck with it, that just my personal experience with it.). The 3G works very well, if you setup it right. But as soon as cgy750 is out, Futaba all the way on my larger helies.

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01-11-2011 03:08 AM  7 years agoPost 6
Supercoolheli

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I vote for the Total-G

I don't think anyone can really say that Curtis puts out bad products, or has bad customer service. IMHO, CYE has some of the best customer service in the hobby! I'm only saying "some" because i have not had experience with every manufacture. Most people choose the Vbar because they have been out the longest and have had the most time to "get it right" so to speak. And don't get me wrong, they have done a great job and their time has been well spent. The Total-G is a reletively "new" product which keeps people away in some cases because they are worried about problems. But believe me, Curtis has obviously been thinking of this for a very very long time, maybe even since Vbar was released (not sure though). One thing i like about CYE is that Curtis does not release a product until he knows his customers will love his products right off the bat. is the Total-G perfect yet? No. but there is no doubt that he is on the right track and it can't be that much longer, not to say that the Total-G isn't already up there with the Vbar. Curtis is not afraid to let his customers know when there is a problem, or exactly what he is doing (on his daily blog) with the setup, programming, software updates, ect. IMHO if you want 100% satisfaction, a superior class flybarless system, and customer service at the tip of your fingers, choose the Total-G! BTW, this is my first flybarless system and i must stay that the Total-G flies very very very well! Very easy to setup and it is EXTREMELY smooth in the air! it required very little tweaking off of stock values, and it makes me happy that i chose to go FBL . Just my 2 cents worth lol

EDIT: Unlike the Vbar, the Total-G offers a handheld programming unit with buttons and very easy to understand display (can do all that is available on the computer AND MORE! It's available for only $55 and makes it a TON easier than hauling your computer to the field, and maybe a charger or whatever you need. And like the Vbar, the Total-G ALSO is tested by multiple professional pilots prior to release to the public, has a state of the art built in governor (the famous ATG), offers the choice to run satelites directly from the unit instead of a reciever unit, and OH DID I MENTION, with the push of a button you can CHOOSE WHETHER YOU WANT TO USE IT WITH FLYBAR OR FLYBARLESS!! tell me a system that does this?

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01-11-2011 03:21 AM  7 years agoPost 7
OICU812

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Eric, Mikado Vbar actually has something called a "Control Panel" so like the Gview you need only that "if you wish", however by trend most do not need or require a laptop after 4-6 flights and they are satisfied.
Also a Blue Tooth Module as well, both those products have been available for Vbar users for a few years now.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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01-11-2011 03:22 AM  7 years agoPost 8
Supercoolheli

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Oh my bad! didn't notice that Vbar had a programming unit too, sorry . Yeah i found it the same with the Total-G haha. Once it's set it's set...i assume this will be the case with pretty much any system though

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01-11-2011 03:22 AM  7 years agoPost 9
cudaboy_71

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i've flown Vbar, 3G, and beastx.

if money is not a problem, vbar hands down...and, i'm still running all v4...though i'll probably be upgrading my 700 to v5 here in a week or so.

however, the price differential between units would lead me to get another beastx if money became an object. setup is very simple and does not require a computer (i did a complete setup in sub-40° weather yesterday at the field in less than 15 minutes.)

3G is not a contender IMO at this time. just my opinion, but, it's not ready to play with the big boys.

if it ain't broke, break it.

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01-11-2011 03:22 AM  7 years agoPost 10
knightofcarnage

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chicago

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EDIT: Unlike the Vbar, the Total-G offers a handheld programming unit with buttons and very easy to understand display (can do all that is available on the computer AND MORE! It's available for only $55 and makes it a TON easier than hauling your computer to the field, and maybe a charger or whatever you need.
???????

1) Vbar has a handled unit for field pro
MIK4152 V-Bar Control Panel
2) bluetooth adapter to connect to pc or some smart phones

Only thing that sucks is only available from ReadyHeli. I would like to order from another vendor sometimes.

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01-11-2011 03:23 AM  7 years agoPost 11
Supercoolheli

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yeah, sorry knightofcarnage, i didnt' know that

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01-11-2011 03:32 AM  7 years agoPost 12
knightofcarnage

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Major reason i dump 3G units was how you had attach the programmer and the software was a little flakie under certain versons of windows. Yes your right it suck bring a laptop to the field. This where futaba will have a huge advantage. Plus on 8FG, 12 and 14 radios, with a software update you will be able to control the 3 gains and roll/flip rates. That will be huge win for me.

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01-11-2011 03:47 AM  7 years agoPost 13
Supercoolheli

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with a software update you will be able to control the roll/flip rates
Might i add that this is available with the Total-G

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01-11-2011 04:20 AM  7 years agoPost 14
Kevin Feil

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v-bar 5.0

who sells v-bar? and what does it sell for new?

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01-11-2011 04:26 AM  7 years agoPost 15
Ronald Thomas

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Readyheli and $299 (mini) or $319 (full size)

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01-11-2011 12:08 PM  7 years agoPost 16
NoLuckChuck

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Leesville, LA

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Vbar or BeastX

I have watched these units since the first release of Vbar and they appear to have gotten considerably less expensive (I will refrain from staying cheaper). The Vbar is only $100 more expensive than the BeastX. Is it really worth saving $100 to forgo the Vbar? I know $100 is more to some than others and it is not my intent to devalue the dollar, but is it really worth saving the $100. I guess the big question is, "How much performance, if any, do I give up with the BeastX?" Additionally, I have never used a FBL system.

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01-11-2011 12:34 PM  7 years agoPost 17
jesse

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No expert here but I'm currently switching over to fbl on all my machines. I bought two vbar units and after some raving from a friend about beastx I bought one. So for both units it was thee first time to use either. mini is installed in 6hv, Been to the field twice since install, first time I had something wrong in the setup with the tail and couldnt figure it out. ended up watching mr.mels video's and found what I was looking for. By second time I had installed me beastx on my logo 14 and since I felt more comfortable with it setup I flew it first this past weekend. on nothing but a bench setup it flew great and I only plan on doing some mech. changes to speed up the head since I bind if I tilt the swash anymore. So I finally get to my 6hv after flying the logo 2 times. Put in the air and it was alll over the place landed it figureing I have increase the gain, but being the end of the day I was going to break out the computer to adjust the damn thing. I have no doubt that I will get the vbar figures out but from the bench setup the beast worked great. On a side note the second vbar setup went from days of figuring it out to have a full setup on a new heli 20 minutes But still dont know how much tweaking I will have to do at the field on that one either.

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01-11-2011 12:42 PM  7 years agoPost 18
Ronald Thomas

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The Vbar is only $100 more expensive than the BeastX. Is it really worth saving $100 to forgo the Vbar? I know $100 is more to some than others and it is not my intent to devalue the dollar, but is it really worth saving the $100. I guess the big question is, "How much performance, if any, do I give up with the BeastX?"
Well this is the thing, with the VBAR you can use 2 satellites instead of a $100 rx if you fly Spektrum. The BeastX has a single sat port as of now which is dangerous on anything over a 450 IMO so you need an additional rx along with the system. so the cost is pretty much even when it is all said and done. Now when you can get two sats on the BeastX, it will then be $100 cheaper ...........Ron

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01-11-2011 12:43 PM  7 years agoPost 19
NoLuckChuck

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Thank you for the reply. I am actually going to install one into a scale heli. It is only two blades. It is a Century Swift 16 into a Bell 222 fuse. I am sure it will do just fine in that application. Maybe that is an application where it is not worth it to spend the money on Mikado.

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01-11-2011 12:46 PM  7 years agoPost 20
Ronald Thomas

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It is a safety issue when it comes to using just one satellite. In a scale fuse too??? A lot of $$$ to chance so either use a full rx with the BeastX, or get a VBAR and use 2 sats

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