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01-11-2011 02:19 AM  7 years agoPost 21
reaper31

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while i have my view on use of force, i will agree with that the idea of a ticket quota is ridiculous. although i work closely with a lot of cops, i have never gotten them to admit that there is an actual "ticket quota" to meet, the closet i have gotten to a confession was that there was a quota on stops (or running plates) they claim its to make sure the cops actually do work rather then sit and wait for a call.

but it does kind of seem like there is a flaw in the system when these guys really directly control their own budget cuts...their program is on the chopping block, and BOOM..they are out there making money for the city and they get moved off the chopping block...up next on the block..education.

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01-11-2011 02:37 AM  7 years agoPost 22
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well I used to ride dirt bikes with 3 of them (2 were motorcycle cops) and they told me implicitely that they had quotas. With a write up if the DIDN'T meet them.
Plus, the one guy retired as the head moto cop after 25 years (I think it was 25) and I was just told by his best friend that he's getting close to 90k per year plus bennies and he's not even 50 yet. Multiply that x30-40 years (plus COLA's).
You can't swing a dead cat around here without hitting 2 cruisers. The largest group of people are retirees and the rest are middle to upper class with a sprinkling of lower class. Very safe town with no need for a force this size.
Plus to top it off, we just built them a new 25 million dollar headquarters that is probably larger than most cities with 10 times our population. New cars every 2 years too. Plus they get to drive them home every night, so basically every office has his own car 24/7.

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01-11-2011 02:51 AM  7 years agoPost 23
reaper31

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i hear you, there are districts around here that drive BMW motorcycles and SUV's. then there are districts that only half half their car painted. guess what cars see the most action?

Robbert De Bock

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01-11-2011 03:07 AM  7 years agoPost 24
Blades345

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Sounds like the gun we paid for worked fine.

Tazer is a risk. Only one shot and it better stick. If the cop chooses anything less than the highest level of force he has available to him he is taking a risk on himself. That is not a choice that anyone can make for him.
Thank God there are people like you out there backing us. I have been an officer for 4 years now and know exactly how this world works when it comes to weapons. There have been many training sessions where they put an officer in the room with another officer. One officer has a gun and the other has a knife. They are about 20 feet apart, and the officer with the gun has it holstered.

They showed over and over that the officer with the knife was able to close the gap and stab the officer multiple times just as the officer got the gun out, and this was from 20 feet away. The taser is not full proof and doesn't always work. If you miss with the taser, then its game over for the officer. To Bentdaboom,, you don't realize how it is to work the job I have and I wish you would not stereotype officers out there like that. My job is extremely stressful and I don't put my life on the line to let some crazy guy with a knife take my life because I decided to be stupid and use something other than my gun.

Unless you walk in my shoes, you have no idea how it is. It only takes a moment for someone to close the gap and stab the hell out of you.

This picture is a cop that got stabbed and sliced up by some POS criminal. Maybe this picture will change your mind, and thankfully this guy lived.

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01-11-2011 03:29 AM  7 years agoPost 25
windy62

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If you care to see the dash cam video of this shooting, check here.

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-was...,0,208236.story

I suppose it's important to note that a picture of the knife taken for evidence shows it is CLOSED...

Note the time interval from the cop initiating contact to "BANG"...

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01-11-2011 03:32 AM  7 years agoPost 26
fla heli boy

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oh, I would never take anything from cops that work the real thing. The cops here would be in more danger working at an elementary school.
REAL cops: that's a whole other issue. I have great respect for those guys. I know several that are retired big city guys (Philly, New York, Miami, etc.). Those guys are the ones that deserve the pay that the clowns in my town get paid.

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01-11-2011 03:34 AM  7 years agoPost 27
Blades345

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well I used to ride dirt bikes with 3 of them (2 were motorcycle cops) and they told me implicitely that they had quotas. With a write up if the DIDN'T meet them.
Plus, the one guy retired as the head moto cop after 25 years (I think it was 25) and I was just told by his best friend that he's getting close to 90k per year plus bennies and he's not even 50 yet. Multiply that x30-40 years (plus COLA's).
You can't swing a dead cat around here without hitting 2 cruisers. The largest group of people are retirees and the rest are middle to upper class with a sprinkling of lower class. Very safe town with no need for a force this size.
Plus to top it off, we just built them a new 25 million dollar headquarters that is probably larger than most cities with 10 times our population. New cars every 2 years too. Plus they get to drive them home every night, so basically every office has his own car 24/7.
I hate to burst your bubble, but not every department has them. The department I work for has no quotas. If I go 6 months without writing a ticket, they don't care. Maybe some still have them, but I can honestly tell you mine doesn't.

As for getting overpaid as you stated earlier, YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING! I am no wealthy man by any means and work hard for my living. My job is stressful and I put my life at risk everyday to protect people I don't even know. I really wish you people that state bads things of police could see how it is in our shoes.

I am very happy to see that more than 70% of the people on here are supportive of what I do. I thank you guys for realizing that.

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01-11-2011 03:37 AM  7 years agoPost 28
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I am very happy to see that more than 70% of the people on here are supportive of what I do. I thank you guys for realizing that.
Hey man. I'm with you. I know for certain that the overwhelming majority of cops are good, hard working people, putting their lives at risk every day to protect us.

We are a nation of laws. Thats what makes a republic like ours. Without cops on the street, we would all be in a serious world of hurt.

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01-11-2011 03:38 AM  7 years agoPost 29
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I have to note that MOST cops are certainly hard working, have a feeling of Duty, etc.

BUT, Just as MOST Muslims are a peaceful people, the few that ARE bad, make you wonder about the rest. ESPECIALLY when they don't condemn the atrocious actions of the few...

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01-11-2011 03:41 AM  7 years agoPost 30
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I have several friends who ended up being policeman. I can tell you even at Corporal and Sargent they make peanuts! For the crap they go through they can have it. YES there are bad cops, and there are honestly good ones as well. Like anything it's all about the people who are involved.

I taught Combat Handguns & Tactical response courses for more then a few years, I have met my share of both the good and the bad. At the end of the day, they have to see, hear and go through much of what most of us would not think of. Personally I think many events in which they encounter would change even the most confident of us, this is IMO of course but do not think all are bad.

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01-11-2011 03:42 AM  7 years agoPost 31
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Blades: sorry buddy, but I'm really NOT lumping all cops together. Sorry if you took it that way. I really don't. Just saying that the cops IN MY TOWN are ridiculous, from the chief on down.
If I would've had my head screwed on straight when I was young, I would've like to have been a cop. Heck, I'd like to be one now, but I'm too old. It's an honorable profession and most cops are good people.
Just saying the cops here suck.
BUT, Just as MOST Muslims are a peaceful people, the few that ARE bad, make you wonder about the rest. ESPECIALLY when they don't condemn the atrocious actions of the few...
Well said. Every time we nab a bad cop here, the union stands up and protects them. I'm not talking about a complaint from a scumbag because he got ruffed up. I'm behind the cops on that one. I won't even get into it because I'd be here all nite. AGAIN, I'm just saying MY CITY has a shady force. The sheriffs - great. The city across the river - good cops. Us - we're the laughing stock and whenever we have a social event, it's like a ghost town because nobody will come to this town because of the reputation of our police force.
I mean, they have roadblocks in the middle of the day in the business sector to write seat belt tickets. I mean C'MON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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01-11-2011 04:09 AM  7 years agoPost 32
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edit.

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01-11-2011 06:16 AM  7 years agoPost 33
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Blades: sorry buddy, but I'm really NOT lumping all cops together. Sorry if you took it that way. I really don't. Just saying that the cops IN MY TOWN are ridiculous, from the chief on down.
If I would've had my head screwed on straight when I was young, I would've like to have been a cop. Heck, I'd like to be one now, but I'm too old. It's an honorable profession and most cops are good people.
Just saying the cops here suck.
I gotcha, and I'm sure you didn't mean to lump us all together, and I appreciate that. I took it the wrong way. Unfortunately there are so many people out there that don't like cops because we give them tickets, and make arrests, and everything else. I am happy when someone comes up to me and thanks me for the job I do. I do the same for military guys, because I could not do what they do and I appreciate what they do for this country.

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01-11-2011 02:45 PM  7 years agoPost 34
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+1

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01-11-2011 03:18 PM  7 years agoPost 35
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Unfortunately a lot these people are mentally ill, something society
can't or doesn't wanna do anything about. If it's between the cop's life and the guy with the knife that's the way it'll go I guess but you wish there was some middle ground, taze or shoot him in the leg if possible. There all kinds of "tools" out there to stop people but they've probably been stopped by lawsuits, you know somebody could get hurt...

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01-11-2011 03:36 PM  7 years agoPost 36
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shoot him in the leg and get sued. I've had many cops tell me, if you have to pull a weapon in fear of your life, put one in his head. Dead men have no "their side of the story". It's sad, but it happens a lot more than it should.

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01-11-2011 03:41 PM  7 years agoPost 37
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you're probably right, sorry to say.

Sharing means: you get less.

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01-11-2011 05:33 PM  7 years agoPost 38
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Shoot him in the leg or arm is something we get alot, but you don't realize how hard that actually is on a moving person. This isn't the movies! Hitting someone alone is very hard when they are moving around. Your adrenaline is pumping and your shooting skills go down big time. I bet this isn't a person out there that could shoot me in the arm or leg purposely while I am running or moving around.

You have to think as well that if you miss that arm or leg, which won't stop him anyway, he is going to keep on coming and slash you up. They have shot guys in the chest 3 to 4 times before and they keep on coming. Unless you hit a vital organ that does some real damage, hitting someone in the fatty areas or somewhere where it doesn't cause a big issue does nothing. I have seen suspects shoot each other multiple times and both people live.

Its not like on TV where they shoot someone and the guy goes falling backwards. That is all movie crap! I've also had people say, why don't you shoot to disarm him. Are you kidding me? As police we are not trained for that, and even if we were, its crazy to do that.

As for the taser, that thing doesn't even work all the time. Yes, its a great tool for the most part and it has saved many lives on the suspects and police side, but its not 100%. I have seen guys get hit with it, and they just keep on running. To risk my own live to save some crazy guys life with a knife is not going to happen. I am going home to my family at night. We have a priority ranking with how peoples lives go. First people to save are the innocents or civilians, next are the police, and finally are the criminals or suspects.

One more thing to the OP who started this thread. Think what you want about police being trigger happy and wanting to kill everyone, but in all actuality, we don't want to shoot anyone if we can help it. I know guys on the force who have had to shoot and kill people that they had every right to shoot, and to this day, they still have trouble with it. Even if the guy deserves to be killed, you are still taking a life, and its not something easy to deal with. We had one guy quit over it, even though the guy he killed was a scumbag. So before you go spouting off that we want to kill everyone, think a little bit.

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01-11-2011 06:07 PM  7 years agoPost 39
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This quote...

"Unfortunately a lot these people are mentally ill, something society
can't or doesn't wanna do anything about. If it's between the cop's life and the guy with the knife that's the way it'll go I guess but you wish there was some middle ground, taze or shoot him in the leg if possible. There all kinds of "tools" out there to stop people but they've probably been stopped by lawsuits, you know somebody could get hurt..."

Is very much on the mark. I have seen as a corrections officer the vast changes we have made in the system within the last 3 years to accomadate the mentally ill. In my state there is no such thing as a state run mental hospital anymore. It is a prison where we send our most extreme cases, the more "NORMAL" types tend to end up in general prison population. Just within the past 5 months we(secure level 2,extreme cases level 6) have had several CRAP painters, a self disembowler, and many more that are suffering from cognative displacement(dillusions,and hallucinations).
We get them after the system has identified them, but who do you think is picking most of them up off the street? The Cops!!! We know what they are so we treat them with care and caution, unless prior evidence is there for the officer at pick up they are going into it on the blind side. NOPE, said it once, will say it again, unless you walk in that officers shoes... You can't judge him. Maybe this officer had some interaction with this man before, or knew from a prior history report that he could be unstable. Most officers I know check and get as much info as they can before they go into a situation(if time permits of course). Forwarned is forarmed.
Officers,troopers,LEO's most of you have my utmost respect gentlemen.

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01-11-2011 06:39 PM  7 years agoPost 40
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I have a good number of friends that are police officers in all the different agencies and what people do not understand is that most of them are not great shots with a pistol. Few officers actually take the time to become accurate with a pistol, for the most part all an officer has to do is show safety with his firearm in order to carry one. So the whole shooting a suspect in the leg is out of the question for most officers, plus when your life is on the line do you really think you will have time to stop and try and get a shot off into someones leg or any other non-lethal area. People watch too many movies and think that being able to shoot a person in the leg is easy, being accurate with a firearm while in the heat of a situation is not easy. I shoot competion for a good number of years and most would be suprised how difficult it really is to be accurate enough to hit a person in an area that is non-lethal.

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