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01-14-2011 12:40 AM  7 years agoPost 101
helixangle

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Phaedrus, could you please post your resource, please post a link that shows this -- j

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01-14-2011 12:44 AM  7 years agoPost 102
helixangle

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additionally I wasn't suggesting that AC 91-57 was any kind of "spring board", there are only three suggestions in AC 91-57 one of which happens to be don't fly above 400 ft

the information I posted is available on the AMA website. I'll go out on a limb and assume they will keep the most current information regarding this matter at hand for it's members.

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01-14-2011 02:07 AM  7 years agoPost 103
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fwiw...

Geez, Helix...

Did I say something "vitriolic"....?

Maybe the problem is that I'm not taking anything....

As far as I know, and I'm pretty sure about this, the NPRM has not yet been published....Kinda like Sanfrangran Nan, "We've got to see it before we know what's in it...
The direct communication I've had with Hanson and Matthewson has been anything but reassuring...The AMA show actually generated for me the best feeling I've had about this so far...
My best hope is that I've Chicken Littled this whole issue...But to not be prepared for a fight is to lose said fight..

Phaedrus...When the time comes, my letters will be respectful, directed to the correct entity, and voluminous..I know I can't beat City Hall...I want to change it.

John.

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01-14-2011 03:24 AM  7 years agoPost 104
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I think that prior to the AMA Expo meeting I was among the most pessimistic out there. What I heard at the meeting and in discussions afterwards turned me around. I still think there will be things that we will not like, but overall I am not as gloomy as I was prior to the show.

But as I put it to a lot of people, I'm going to hold onto my helis and boats just in case that's all that's left. At one time I was pretty certain that the gliders, pattern and IMAC planes were goners. Not so much any more.

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01-15-2011 05:46 AM  7 years agoPost 105
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listen to what the kid says here at 2.05 minutes,, I have heard the same thing said before, it needs to stop,,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHCy...player_embedded

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02-04-2011 10:18 PM  7 years agoPost 106
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http://www.modelaircraft.org/aboutama/gov.aspx

Government Relations

For the past three years the AMA has participated in the rulemaking process aimed at establishing federal regulations for small Unmanned Aircraft Systems (sUAS). We’ve worked directly with the FAA in an effort to ensure that these regulations will not have a detrimental impact on the aeromodeling community, and we are continuing to work with the regulators in an effort to safeguard the future of model aviation. The rulemaking process is very long and complex, and to date very little is known regarding the specifics of the proposed rule. However, the FAA is nearing completion of the initial phase of the rulemaking process and is expected to publish its Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) in the Federal Register in June 2011. The proposed rule will then be open for public comment.

What we do know at this point is that the Aviation Rulemaking Committee (ARC) recommended that there be a provision in the rule to allow model aircraft operations that are conducted in accordance with an FAA-accepted set of standards to be exempt from the rule. To date, FAA leadership in the Unmanned Aircraft Program Office (UAPO) has consistently held that this has been, and continues to be, its regulatory approach to model aviation. And during the past year and a half, UAPO representatives have been actively involved in providing guidance to the AMA in its effort to develop a set of standards that—if accepted and adopted by the FAA—will serve as an alternative means of complying with the new sUAS regulation.

As we near the public-comment period, it’s extremely important that all aeromodeling enthusiasts become aware of the issues at stake and the challenges that lie ahead. This AMA webpage provides much of the background material on the sUAS rulemaking issue and will serve as a resource to the AMA membership for current and relevant information as the regulatory and standards-development process progresses.

– Rich Hanson, AMA Government Relations and Regulatory Affairs Representative

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02-04-2011 11:06 PM  7 years agoPost 107
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lol wow this is a funny thread. some people are very very paranoid. Model flyers are a tiny population. I doubt very much the faa wastes any time at all on us. I would say that the fpv vehicles might be of intrest for some faa guidelines. But lets be honest more people die drowining in barrels than do flying models so dont worry i think our hobby is safe.

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02-04-2011 11:41 PM  7 years agoPost 108
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But lets be honest more people die drowining in barrels than do flying models
I guess it's true

Eldorado woman drowns in rain barrel

http://www.santafenewmexican.com/Lo...rowns_in_barrel

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02-04-2011 11:45 PM  7 years agoPost 109
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lol wow this is a funny thread. some people are very very paranoid.
Read this document and then tell me if you still think we are being paranoid..

http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/FAA-onepage.pdf

Here is part of what it says:
What This Means for U.S. Model Aviation

The potential for these proposed regulations to destroy an otherwise safe and educational hobby is both real and probable. The new guidelines will include:

• A nationwide altitude ceiling of 400 feet. For model aircraft this is unduly restrictive, impractical, unrealistic and unenforceable through any reasonable means of compliance and detection.

• Performance limitations imposed by limiting airspeed. An airspeed limit such as 100 mph is impractical and unattainable through cost-effective means.

• The blanket prohibition of gas turbine engines.
This will impose a significant and unjustified economic impact on an emerging industry.

• Extending the area of concern around the nation’s airports beyond the current 3-mile radius that has been the successful standard for nearly 30 years. This has absolutely no statistical basis, no supporting data and no accident or incident correlation.

Extending the radius would nearly triple the area of concern and potentially create millions of square miles in which “no flying without permission” would be imposed.

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02-05-2011 02:49 AM  7 years agoPost 110
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I wonder where they will get the money to employ people or are they going to divert resources to enforce the new rules for this endeavor? They don't have the manpower to enforce the laws on the books now. Then something catastrophic they could have prevented from happening occurs while they are looking at model aircraft. I don't think they could answer questions from a congressional inquiry, (or for that matter anyone with half a brain),that would satisfy congress. This would be a great piece for the reporters to get hold of about government waste and a pervasive, intrusive government.. When will it stop when we can only watch TV and work?

Chris

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02-05-2011 03:23 AM  7 years agoPost 111
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listen to what the kid says here at 2.05 minutes,, I have heard the same thing said before, it needs to stop,,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHCy...player_embedded
You're absolutely right, I wish they would start licensing this hobby so you don't have to see idiots like that kid at a flying field or making videos like that. Everbody thinks they are a pilot now if they can fly a foamy (no offense meant to anyone that does) hell I have a carbon Z and thats foam.

My electric pylon racer does over 130 mph, and I have a jet thats supposed to push 160. I'm not going to quit flying them.

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02-05-2011 05:29 AM  7 years agoPost 112
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""so you don't have to see idiots like that kid at a flying field""

I don't think you understand what I was getting at, the Kid said you can fly the plane in Parks, he should tell people they can fly in parks

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02-05-2011 12:01 PM  7 years agoPost 113
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he should tell people they can fly in parks
No I got that. I think you meant he shouldn't. The point I was trying to add was if you were to make harder for the general public to access, you generally will tend to get people that are going to take it more seriously and respect it instead of this knucklehead kid telling people it's cool to fly at parks 2:05 as you said

I had to EARN the right to be a full scale ATP, and exercise those PRIVLEDGES. To me that makes it much more valuable. Professional pilots treat safety as the #1 concern, unlike alot of these kids who think picking up a transmitter makes you a pilot. If safety doesn't come first then you can't place yourself in the pilot category, and as far as I am concerned youre not a pilot until you at least hold an instrument rating.

Furthermore, being that I have already earned the privledge from the FAA to operate multi million dollar machines the weigh many tons and travel hundreds of miles per hour in the NAS, but now I need rules to operate a model,,, I don't think so, this is rubbish and people who are already licsenced pilots should be able to operate their models freely. That is one suggestion I am going to forward to the AMA and FAA. Maybe if the clubs were to appoint a safety officer that was at least a private pilot the rulmakes might feel a little safer knowing someone who is at least a little familiar with the NAS has some oversight on whats going on at the clubs and can be a protection.

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02-05-2011 12:26 PM  7 years agoPost 114
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isten to what the kid says here at 2.05 minutes,, I have heard the same thing said before, it needs to stop,,
Hi, my name is Peter and I am a "legal" park flyer!

http://modelaircraft.org/parkflyer.aspx

http://www.theparkpilot.org/

The AMA currently defines a park flyer as a model weighing less than 2 pounds that is incapable of reaching speeds of faster than 60 mph. It must use electric power for propulsion, be remotely controlled or flown with a control line, and remain within the pilot’s line of sight at all times.

Parkflyers is the least of FAA worries...in my opninion.

If everyone respected the law we would not even have speed limit signs. Point being, there is always a bad apple in the bunch.

Those of you thinking they dont have manpower to enforce, all it takes is to regulate the electronics side and where the FCC can step in.

Probably just gave them the idea.

Looking forard to summer when we will have a say..if any.

In the meantime...have fun while you can.

~~Enjoying the hobby one flight at a time~~

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