RunRyder RC
 21  Topic Subscribe
WATCH
 6 pages [ <<    <     3      4     ( 5 )     6     NEXT    >> ] 5641 views POST REPLY
HelicopterMain Discussion › Federal Regulation coming to the hobby?!?
01-13-2011 05:02 AM  7 years agoPost 81
asm

rrVeteran

California

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

There are currently around 800 turbines waivers in the AMA program (if I counted correctly)
I find that number hard to believe. Considering I know at least 5 in a small town I live, and roughly 150 when they have an event here, I would have guess the number is much higher.

B

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
01-13-2011 05:04 AM  7 years agoPost 82
drdot

rrElite Veteran

So. California, Orange County.

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

fwiw...

Thanks, Hind...

Mirrors my own disgust at a goverment that continually brings more pain to the victims of terrorists, but does little to place the pain where it is so richly deserved..

AMA, FAA, etc...Both can and do act autocratically, My fear of the FAA is based on the demonstrated propensity to govern by fiat, with little/no concern about unintended consequenses...
Good example is a recent post here by a gentleman who bought a scae gas airplane, but couldn't fly it for two weeks due to an FAA imposed TFR in his area...Two Weeks!..
What happens at the IRCHA event when a TFR is called during the meet? How willing will the FAA be to grant waivers?

I doubt that anyone could make a rational case for restricting true modeling operations at any time outside the 5 mile radius around airports..
If a 400 foot altitude limit is imposed, how will it be policed?
Will IMAC and RC soaring go the way of the T Rex?

The brightest spot I can see is that one of the FAA board is apparently a modeler himself...But what happens when the position is occupied by a non modeler?

Bottom line...Government by dictate and rule making is tyranny.

John.

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
01-13-2011 05:08 AM  7 years agoPost 83
asm

rrVeteran

California

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

If you have ever dealt with the FAA, this is what they strive for. They work for the government and would like nothing more than to sit in a court room all day while being paid along with taxpayers footing the nice hotel rooms and dining bills.
That's absolutely not true. I know because I also work for government. Not FAA if you are wondering...

At least for those that I work with, considering government job pays on average lower then private sector and with no prospect of advancement (raise), the only three kind of people in our mind every day are, lawyer, auditor, nosy reporter. The last thing we want is to end up on some congressional inquiry board, and having to answer "Why didn't we come up with a policy to stop XXXX when we know there is 1% possibility it may happen?"

In this case, you can replace XXXX with RC helicoptor kills people... Now you get the idea.

B

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
01-13-2011 05:18 AM  7 years agoPost 84
drdot

rrElite Veteran

So. California, Orange County.

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

fwiw..

No offense...But cars kill people all the time...Any Govt. type out there want to create a T emporary D riving R estriction?

The old saw about "First they came for the Jews" truly applies here..

Seriously, this may all work out OK...This time....But I constantly ask myself why I must spend so much time fighting a government that purports to serve me...

John.

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
01-13-2011 05:23 AM  7 years agoPost 85
Phaedrus

rrKey Veteran

S. Orange County, California

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

I find that number hard to believe. Considering I know at least 5 in a small town I live, and roughly 150 when they have an event here, I would have guess the number is much higher.
You can access the full list on the AMA site. I may have miscounted, but if I did it still was not off by much.

http://www.modelaircraft.org/MembersOnly/pdf/510-M.pdf

You do need to be an AMA member I think to access the document.

AMA Leader Member
Go FASST, or Go Home!!
Team Futaba

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
01-13-2011 06:00 AM  7 years agoPost 86
asm

rrVeteran

California

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

No offense...But cars kill people all the time...Any Govt. type out there want to create a T emporary D riving R estriction?
The day of special driving restriction will never come. Why, you ask. Because everyone believe they are entitled to drive a car. No politician would want to piss off their voters. Or should I say the media, since most voters only vote what the media say.

By the way, the milder form of driving restriction already exist in California. A driver is required to carry liability insurance. A person whom cannot afford a liability insurance is now allow to drive.

Just to throw it out there, did you know starting Feb 13, CA law require government ID and finger print for purchasing pistol ammo?

B

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
01-13-2011 01:11 PM  7 years agoPost 87
BarracudaHockey

rrMaster

Jacksonville FL

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Plenty of restrictions on driving, written exams, eye exams, special licenses to drive trucks, another to drive haz mat etc.

On top of that we even have speed limits and junk

Andy
AMA 77227
http://www.jaxrc.com

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
01-13-2011 01:59 PM  7 years agoPost 88
Phaedrus

rrKey Veteran

S. Orange County, California

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

And just one more time, the sUAS are not motivated in the least by concerns about the safety record of models.

TFRs are totally under the control of DHS and the Secret Service. The FAA implements them, but the what and when of them are not the FAA's doing. FAA is taking heat for the total ban, which includes general aviation and even balloons.

AMA Leader Member
Go FASST, or Go Home!!
Team Futaba

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
01-13-2011 02:32 PM  7 years agoPost 89
Chris Bergen

rrElite Veteran

cassopolis, MI USA

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

At least for those that I work with, considering government job pays on average lower then private sector
Not according to latest numbers...

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation...deral-pay_N.htm

http://www.cato.org/pubs/tbb/tbb-0605-35.pdf

http://www.enterprisenews.com/busin...-private-sector

I know, OT...BUT...Just sayin...

Chris D. Bergen

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
01-13-2011 07:23 PM  7 years agoPost 90
asm

rrVeteran

California

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Not according to latest numbers...
Of course, journalists always speak the truth....

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
01-13-2011 11:04 PM  7 years agoPost 91
jrb600n

rrApprentice

East Hampton, NY

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

I don't mean to sound irrational here and cruel but... I think its time the USA started spreading some fear.. Except not here on US citizens... How about tactile Nuc's right down North Korea and Irans throat... Anytime an act of terror is perpetrated on US soil, we just freaking make these butholes think real hard about supporting and funding terrorists...I mean hit them real hard..REAL Hard...Every last single time they do anything to us... Make their rich leaders sleep in rubble instead of a mansion...Then we can all live in peace over here and I can fly my heli's..

Wow! Scary. START spreading fear?? Anyone else notice how the real crazy crowd paranoid about any gobmint regulation of any kind especially their beloved guns is the same crowd that likes to invade, bomb and regulate the lives of millions of people in other countries?

Is there a mental condition for this or did they all just miss the part in their bibles that says, "do unto others....."???

V-bar
V-bar Control
Oxy 3
Logo 480x

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
01-13-2011 11:12 PM  7 years agoPost 92
drdot

rrElite Veteran

So. California, Orange County.

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

fwiw...

TFRs are totally under the control of DHS and the Secret Service. The FAA implements them, but the what and when of them are not the FAA's doing. FAA is taking heat for the total ban, which includes general aviation and even balloons.[quote]

Does this really matter?...The results are what count, and the result is government is prohibiting the use of airspace we ALL own for generally specious reasons....This is like the Democrats blaming Bush....

Time to stand up....

John.

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
01-13-2011 11:17 PM  7 years agoPost 93
Phaedrus

rrKey Veteran

S. Orange County, California

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Yes John, it does matter. When going on a rant against the machine it is worth knowing which machine to rant at. I understand your dislike for any and all regulations and that you see them as the slippery slope to totalitarianism, but the simple fact is, like them or not they are a fact of life.

But when being upset it is worth knowing whom to be upset at!!

AMA Leader Member
Go FASST, or Go Home!!
Team Futaba

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
01-13-2011 11:19 PM  7 years agoPost 94
jrb600n

rrApprentice

East Hampton, NY

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

[quote][size=small]Does this really matter?...The results are what count, and the result is government is prohibiting the use of airspace we ALL own for generally specious reasons....This is like the Democrats blaming Bush....
Not following your logic. Guess who started the DHS, the largest government agency ever created.

V-bar
V-bar Control
Oxy 3
Logo 480x

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
01-13-2011 11:34 PM  7 years agoPost 95
Gehrbox

rrApprentice

Charleston,SC

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Anyone else notice how the real crazy crowd paranoid about any gobmint regulation of any kind especially their beloved guns is the same crowd that likes to invade, bomb and regulate the lives of millions of people in other countries?
I didn't see guns or gun regulation mentioned in the quote you posted. Why are you linking that individual to gun rights advocates? Why are you associating people advocating violence with those wanting to protect their constitutional rights?

PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
01-13-2011 11:39 PM  7 years agoPost 96
jrb600n

rrApprentice

East Hampton, NY

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

[quote][size=small]I didn't see guns or gun regulation mentioned in the quote you posted. Why are you linking that individual to gun rights advocates? Why are you associating people advocating violence with those wanting to protect their constitutional rights?
Want to bet he is not a gun control advocate?

V-bar
V-bar Control
Oxy 3
Logo 480x

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
01-13-2011 11:45 PM  7 years agoPost 97
Gehrbox

rrApprentice

Charleston,SC

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Want to bet his is not a gun control advocate?
What made you come to that conclusion?

What has it got to do with FAA regulation of this hobby?

PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR  Quote
01-13-2011 11:56 PM  7 years agoPost 98
jrb600n

rrApprentice

East Hampton, NY

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

What made you come to that conclusion?
[size=small]

Because when paranoid people talk about government regulation of any kind being bad it is an NRA like-slippery slope mentality that leads to gridlock. That is the reason we have no sensible gun laws in this country. Let's not have the same thing happen to our hobby.

V-bar
V-bar Control
Oxy 3
Logo 480x

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
01-14-2011 12:29 AM  7 years agoPost 99
helixangle

rrKey Veteran

Mamaroneck, NY - USA

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

The old saw about "First they came for the Jews" truly applies here
Dear Dr Dot...

Really...your going to compare model aviation regulation to the Holocaust...dude you need to get a hobby

I've listened to you rant about this, I've asked you to educate us (you did not) so I educate myself.

The FAA HAS to regulate us as per their new regulations. They are choosing to regulate us by not regulating us as per the proposed regulations. Some restrictions will be outlined BUT they already exist as per advisory circular 9157 adopted in June 1981.

Some aspects of Model Aviation are unclear to the FAA, particularly Turbine. It is unclear what will happen with Turbine but if you READ the notice of proposed rules they are a CARBON COPY of the current AMA rules you now fly under. Dumb Dumb

Nothing is going to change, everything will be fine.

IMO this new SUAS document will only LEGITIMIZE what we do in the eyes of the municipalities in which we fly, and in my neck of the woods where flight fields are scarce and in threat of being lost, this will only ensure that we can keep what we have.

SO IF YOU WANT TO REALLY KNOW

Here are the recommendations for the SUAS rule making committee READ IT
http://www.modelaircraft.org/faa/recommendations.pdf

Here is a video that explains it all
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show...618&postcount=4

And really Dr. Dot, stop taking whatever it is your taking, it's making you paranoid, maybe consider radio controlled sail boats instead

-- j

Be sure the juice is worth the sqweeze
Remember life is hard...even harder for stupid people

PM  EMAIL  HOMEPAGE  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
01-14-2011 12:35 AM  7 years agoPost 100
Phaedrus

rrKey Veteran

S. Orange County, California

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

A couple of comments. First it does not seem that AC 91-57 is being used as any sort of starting point. So what is in there is not necessarily going to be part of the Rule.

Also, much of what is in the ARC Recommendations seems to be gone as well. There is no dual path for models, there will only be a single path and that is operate in compliance with an FAA accepted safety program for models or you will have to comply with the actual sUAS SFAR Part 107.

So a lot of the onerous language in the ARC recommendations does not apply any longer (or so it seems now).

AMA Leader Member
Go FASST, or Go Home!!
Team Futaba

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR  Quote
WATCH
 6 pages [ <<    <     3      4     ( 5 )     6     NEXT    >> ] 5641 views POST REPLY
HelicopterMain Discussion › Federal Regulation coming to the hobby?!?
 Print TOPIC  Make Suggestion 

 21  Topic Subscribe

Friday, April 20 - 9:49 am - Copyright © 2000-2018 RunRyder   EMAILEnable Cookies

Login Here
 New Subscriptions 
 Buddies Online