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HelicopterHIROBOHirobo Turbulence › How much cyclic do you have??
01-02-2011 01:37 PM  6 years agoPost 1
gorn

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Hi guys
Just curious as to how much cyclic you guys have?
Please post, collective range, cyclic range, mixing arm settings.

Run into any binding issues?? etc etc

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01-02-2011 05:40 PM  6 years agoPost 2
hgh001

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Hi,

Have a look at the article written by Dr Ben.

http://www.modelrec.com/events/Hirobo_Happenings.asp

The D3 head can produce +-15 collective and 9 deg collective subject to the head setup.

Configure all the links as per manual, make sure your SWM (CCCPM) is configured properly. Stick to the settings as per the manuals.

Can't help you with settings for a Turbulence D3 since I am running a Turbulence D3 head on my Freya. Settings as per manual should do the trick.

Regards,
Heinz

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01-03-2011 02:30 AM  6 years agoPost 3
gorn

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hmmmm
I have read that before.
I have the stock settings from the manual on my head.

Im happy with 12deg pitch, but I want snappier cyclic without losing too much in FFF and hover stability.

Its always very windy here, so I need some stability.
I fly 3d, and use a lot of very quick abrupt cyclic changes.

Think I may just need to change some head settings, and go fly and try.

When I 1st built my model, I tried all the head settings, and saw almost no difference in the amount of cyclic available with each setting.
Mostly there was just large collective changes made.

Maybe I need to re-visit it all again.

Cheers

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01-03-2011 02:47 AM  6 years agoPost 4
Santiago P

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Gorn,

Keep in mind that the initial cyclic responce is not only dependant on the cyclic input but also on the overall inetia of the system.

There are two places to go,
1. Lighter blades
2. Blades with more agressive alpha-lift slope (more bite)

Remember that the weight of the blade and the spanwise location of the weight affect the inertia, and one more thing, the RPM.

From what I hear, the latest generation G5 Mavrikks bite very hard, and so do the Edge. CY stickbangers are very low inertia, but they dont bite as hard. Find the pair of shoes (blades) that best fit your need. Leave the flybar alone if you are happy with the stability.

Good luck

Santiago

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01-03-2011 03:00 AM  6 years agoPost 5
gorn

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Im using the new Dominic 711 blades.
I was using Rotortech paddles initially, but it was horribly pitchy with these blades.
So I am now using stock paddles.

Last combo I had, was Maniac 703mm blades and the Rotortechs.
Was still not as quick as I would like, though a bit faster than what I have now.

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01-03-2011 02:52 PM  6 years agoPost 6
Santiago P

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I you get a chance, try a set of 690mm blades. The smaller disk is snappier and quicker in cyclic. Be careful in your quest for faster responce not to use too much cylic input as it will stall the blades.
What RPM you use on stunt, or idle up mode?

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01-03-2011 10:27 PM  6 years agoPost 7
Brendan78

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Hi Gorn,

I tried the Scott Grey rotor tech's a while back and I could get the heli really fast in FFF, but cyclic was a little slower. I've got Edge 711's on one of my D3's and Radix 710 SB's on the other. The Radix 710 Sb's combined with the stock paddles with middle cap size (no weight), 535mm flybar, stock mixing settings (center holes on each side of the mixing arm), and running a electronic cyclic ring in the TX, the heli is very quick. The edge blades are a tad slower than the Radix 710's but on slightly and they bite hard and auto better. I bought the silver paddles a while back that Dominik runs and they are the quickest paddles i've run by far. I've just moved the ball on the mixing arm that goes to the swash to the furthest out position to gain a bit more flybar authority with these paddles as I can afford for the heli to be settled down a bit on these settings. How fast do you want the heli to roll?? I gave Mizark (mark) a quick go with I had it set with the silver paddles and Radix SB's and he said it was too fast for him. I've slowed the heli down a bit from these settings to improve wind tracking in the wind as it get's windy a lot at our field also.

I got the hint from noticing that Dominik now runs the ball at the edge of the mixing arm going down to the swash with the silver 3d paddles. They are roughly the same size as the stock plastic paddles with the middle size cap, but probably sit out as far as if the stock paddles where mounted to a 555mm flybar. Have a play around and see how you go. If your still unhappy with hit, mount the CGY750

Raptor 90 G4 / YS120SRX / VBar Silverline / Futaba / Rotor Rage / Edge

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01-03-2011 10:46 PM  6 years agoPost 8
gorn

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Hi Brendan
Right now, its not very fast at all.

I have run FBL before on my Trex 700, now that was fast lol.

I want it fast enough, that I can do low deck work with confidence.
Im not there yet.

The Futaba 750 is going on my heli as soon as they get released.
Im a fan of FBL, but not of making the pilot lazy.
Am looking forward to the new system.

Am going to have a play with the head settings, and see how I go.

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01-04-2011 12:09 AM  6 years agoPost 9
Brendan78

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try some of the things I mentioned and see if that speeds it up enough for you in the mean time until the CGY750 arrives. Is it the continual roll/flip rate, or the initial response to a cyclic input that your unhappy with? more cyclic will speed up the continual roll/flip rate, and if your at 9 degrees already, then I think that's it. If it's the initial response to a cyclic input, then there are loads of things you can do to speed the D3 up, will be about finding the balance though, and esp in windy conditions over there.

Raptor 90 G4 / YS120SRX / VBar Silverline / Futaba / Rotor Rage / Edge

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01-04-2011 01:50 PM  6 years agoPost 10
gorn

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initial, and continuous rate is too slow.

I will try a few things over the weekend, see how I go.

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