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01-02-2011 12:42 AM  6 years agoPost 1
beetree

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Hi,

I've been reading the forums for a couple of hours and I think that I am starting to understand how I best get started with RC Helicopters. Below is my plan for it, please give me feedback both on the type of machinery I am planning to buy and where I am buying it (e.g. if it is the cheapest possible, and whether the sellers are reliable).

I planned on starting off with a Blade 120 SR BNF which sells for 150 USD on http://thebarnfloor.com/catalog/pro...oducts_id=1902. The idea was to buy a cheap helicopter just to get me started and to try things out before I buy anything more expensive. Maybe flying isn't my thing, I just don't know yet. I understand that this helicopter is significantly more difficult to fly than larger (e.g. T-rex 500), but I also realize that spare parts are cheaper on this heli.

For Radio/Transmitter I want to buy a piece that I can grow in, but I don't want to pay up too much in case RC Helis aren't my thing. I figured that the DX6i (150 USD from http://thebarnfloor.com/catalog/pro...roducts_id=1150) is a good start. I understand that the DX7 is more of a long-term solution but the DX7 is also a lot more expensive. Is the DX6i good though if I want to step up to a T-rex 500?

I wanna start with a simulator and I hear that Phoenix is the most popular. I believe Phoenix is compatible with the DX6i (http://www.phoenix-sim.com/support.htm#1000) but I'm not sure...? Is RealFlight compatible with the DX6i?

As a second Heli to be bought once I have mastered the SR120, I figured the T-rex 500 would be a good buy (~500 USD, http://www.amazon.com/Align-Corpora...93923254&sr=1-1). Is this a good second Heli? Does it work with the DX6i I am planning to buy?

Thanks a lot for your feedback on my shopping plans. Really appreciate it!

Regards,
Johan

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01-02-2011 12:55 AM  6 years agoPost 2
airdodger

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Spend the money on the 500 and the seven, you will have something you can maybe sell if you find you don't like helis. It is as you say easier to learn on also.

Chris

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01-02-2011 01:01 AM  6 years agoPost 3
Sean Williams

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That all sounds good, but I would spring for the Dx7. I've always found the Dx6i interface frustrating when helping others at the field. The Dx7 will last you your whole flying career.

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01-02-2011 01:09 AM  6 years agoPost 4
beetree

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The DX7 seems to cost 300 USD (http://thebarnfloor.com/catalog/pro...products_id=385).

But, at the same time I see a different DX7 for only 200 USD (http://thebarnfloor.com/catalog/pro...roducts_id=1567).

What's the difference between the two? I thought DX7 were standardized? If it's only a 50 USD dollar difference then I'll of course grab the DX7. Paying twice seems hefty though...

/Johan

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01-02-2011 01:19 AM  6 years agoPost 5
Sean Williams

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One comes with the receiver and the other does not. Both of those radios are mode 1. Everyone in the US uses mode 2. And in case you didn't know, the mode describes the stick layout.

This is what you need.

http://www.readyheli.com/SPMR7710-S...on_p_35991.html

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01-02-2011 01:21 AM  6 years agoPost 6
Sean Williams

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Paying twice seems hefty though...
You get what you pay for.

Helicopters are not cheap, and believe me when I say the Dx7 is worth the price.

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01-02-2011 01:23 AM  6 years agoPost 7
fung_jeff

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First of all, you picked mode 1 which I think you would want Mode 2 more... The first one has 4 servos and 1 receiver, the second one only has the radio itself. I suggest you buy a second handed one from our classifieds section... About $150 with receiver I think...

Jeffrey Fung...15 Years old - FLEET: Evo 50, Raptor 30, Trex 500, SDX's, X-Spec, Logo 10/400

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01-02-2011 02:47 AM  6 years agoPost 8
Michaelm0268

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I would start with the dx7 at least. Buy a good radio starting cheaper in the long run.

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01-02-2011 03:27 AM  6 years agoPost 9
koppter

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Virginia

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if you buy a dx 6 there are two scenarios, neither one is good. One, you decide that helis aren't for you. You will take a bath on the radio because so few people want one. If I remember, they use AA dry cells, which is like having to put oil in your car every few days. Two, you decide that you do like helis, and you outgrow it pretty quick and no one knows how to program it (it is different than a DX 7). You have a much greater chance of success going with better equipment in beginning. personally, i wouldn't bother with the blade, i would go with a 450 and a sim and that's a good start. not sure where you are getting your info, but SR is much easier to fly than a 500 or a 450. It is true entry level, and as such is designed with much more inherent stability. last, the place you have posted is straight retail, which is what you can expect on any Horizon product. if you have a local shop, go there, not only do you stand a better chance of saving a couple of bucks, but you build a relationship, which are often priceless in RC. If not, there are some excellent retailers on RR that are well known for providing both product and support.

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01-02-2011 03:55 AM  6 years agoPost 10
turboomni

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Welcome to the forum beetree and to the world of heli's!
First off may I ask do you have any experience with any type of RC flying machines? RC cars don't count really much as you got that nasty 3rd dimension to deal with.
If not I would buy a simulator for the winter months and practice on your computer. You will most likely save alot more money in the long run and have a better first experience with the real thing with what ever that heli you end up with is.
Since you live in the Boston MA area I would also suggest you visit RCHOVER.com and then visit Jeremy's store. Jeremy is an excellent RC heli pilot and owns the store. He has a huge heli ONLY field near his store and host's big heli fun fly's with big name brand pilots attending. Between the rather famous and also amazing non famous heli pilots and everything in between in talent that attend these meets at his field you will learn much.
Jeremy at RCHOVER.com is located near Foxboro MA. He stocks all the major brands and has ALL the parts at prices that are very competitive in price with anyone. Go to his store and all the parts are in stock on display.
If at all possible I would recommend you visit his website and then meet him at the store and he will go through all the possibilities with you with no pressure. I am also sure he will demo some of the heli's you are considering in the store for you. There is a very big RC heli community in the Boston area so don't do it alone.
In the Boston area I wouldn't recommend anyone else for RC heli's.
Feel free to PM me for any more questions.
Good Luck to you!

Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly far better than I can pilot them

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01-02-2011 04:16 AM  6 years agoPost 11
Ahjay

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That's excellent advice. I was lucky and happened to meet an experienced heli nut. His advice was 500 size and a decent radio to start. I went with the Trex 500 and the new DX8. With his training now on buddy box I am well on the way with this addictive hobby. Best of luck and enjoy.

Andy R
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Trex 500 3G
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Atom500 with BeastX
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01-02-2011 06:00 AM  6 years agoPost 12
beetree

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Thanks a lot everyone for all good advice. I'll keep you posted on how I'm progressing (e.g. how many crashes I do)

/Johan

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01-11-2011 05:54 PM  6 years agoPost 13
beetree

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I bought the Heli 8 days ago and I flew it for 4-5 batteries then I started having tail rotor problems. I figured I had done something wrong, or that I somehow had destroyed it (though I hadn't had any serious crashes) so I ordered a new tail rotor. The new tail rotor arrived today and I am having the exact same problems.

Here is a video of what is happening:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1sX3qXA59c

Watch at YouTube

I'm now thinking that this is a non-mechanical issue. Reading a bit on the forum I also see that there are others that are having problems with the tail rotor.

What do I do in this situation? I don't wanna just buy a new Heli. And, I don't know what to tell RCHOVER and Jeremy either. I suppose they will just tell me that "you crashed it, your problem". What's the warranty on these things?

Thanks for your continued help!

Regards,
Johan

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01-11-2011 06:22 PM  6 years agoPost 14
Bundian

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Fort Lauderdale, FL​USA

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Wow that looks weird
How come it's doing this spool up than cut off when you're not touching the radio?
The tail motor fails sometimes on these small helis, but that looks more like a speed controller problem to me
I hope I'm wrong let's see what other people have to say about it

Fly it like you stole it!!!

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01-11-2011 09:16 PM  6 years agoPost 15
txbiker

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Did you try and rebind it to the tx?? Prolly wont help but thats one thing to try. Other than that talking to the people you bought it from wont do much good either they'll tell you the same thing. Go to Horizon and let them know whats happening send it in for repair with a copy of your sales reciept. They are really good with warranty work and pretty fast too. Looks like something swallowed its a$$ on the 5 in 1 though. I had my 120 3 days after its US release and haven't had any trouble except what was self inflicted. The only damage that I've done was broke a main blade,and caved in the nose of the canopy crashing into the fence lol...

mSR,120SR,mCPx SR(DDVP),TTe325 Spektrum

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01-11-2011 10:29 PM  6 years agoPost 16
rcjon

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Seems that it is happy turning and when held straight it is trying to turn. Have you tried moving the trim on the "rudder".

Ask your doctor if your heart is healthy enough for Radio Control Helicoptering.

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01-12-2011 04:21 AM  6 years agoPost 17
Gamb

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Try checking the Rudder Trim. You may have accidentally bumped it. Another cause could be Gyro Sensitivity. It seems like the tail rotor is speeding up because of a preceived rotational force, and is trying to compensate. When it thinks it has done its job, it slows down again. I suspect that something has got changed in your radio setup. Do you have a helicopter veteran nearby that you could consult with? What radio are you using, and who set it up? I would start with a radio check before you send the copter in for repairs.

Very nice that you included a YouTube video. It makes it a lot more easy to see what the problem is.

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01-12-2011 04:28 AM  6 years agoPost 18
helismash

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Gloversville, NY -​Fulton

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+1^^ on the radio setup.

Hey, Who put the ground there!
T-Rex 500/T-Rex 600N FBL/T-Rex 600E PRO/T-Rex 700N/T-Rex 700FBL

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01-12-2011 06:09 PM  6 years agoPost 19
beetree

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Boston

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Gyro sensitivity is probably the thing. If I turn the Heli myself counter clockwise it speeds even faster, and if I turn it clockwise it speeds slower so there is something about the gyro.

I have a DX7 which is set up for the SR 120. I'll read into the manual and see what I can get out of it.

I'll update you on any breakthroughs, or if I give up

Thanks a ton for all the help!

/Johan

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01-12-2011 07:36 PM  6 years agoPost 20
wtvariety

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never give up

we will help out

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