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01-01-2011 10:14 PM  6 years agoPost 161
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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Heli_KV Too big. CG will not be good.
cg is perfect the scorpion 6 motor recommends a 50amp esc
Why not strap on a 100 amp ESC ?
not a bad idea

very old vid

Watch at YouTube

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01-01-2011 10:25 PM  6 years agoPost 162
Heli_KV

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cg is perfect the scorpion 6 motor recommends a 50amp esc
Oh damn. I did not know this. I use Jazz 40...Should I upgrade?

On a serious note about CC vs Kontronic, there is YGE - very, very not bad.

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01-01-2011 10:51 PM  6 years agoPost 163
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YGE cost more than Kontronik. Must be a made in Germany thing!

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01-02-2011 12:29 AM  6 years agoPost 164
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Castle uses 8 bit microcontrollers for their ESC products based on the 8051 architecture. Just recently they switched to some very very very nice FETS (the things that actually deliver the power to your motor) and designed a stellar power board. Castle ESC's require a more hands on approach to get tuned in.

Kontronik uses a DSP processor which is much more capable than an 8051 allowing them to do very interesting things...like actively adjusting the motor values while the motor is running to optimize power delivery. They use a stellar power section and their circuit board fab is to me seems much more refined and advanced. Their packaging, size and weight are also very nice. Kontronik ESC's are more automated.

Both approaches have advantages and disadvantages. Forget about Head Speed...both ESC's can be made to hold a solid HS...

Kontronik can be annoying because its too automated...ask anyone who has tried a Neu motor(or other motors wound a similar way) with it. You have no options to adjust and if the Kontronik doesn't like something it will power the motor down or not even start up.

Castle can be annoying because you have to read and actually understand stuff to get things to work well. From my experience in this hobby I do know that a majority of people actually have very catastrophic failures in this hobby because of ignorance. Too many parameters and ambiguity increase the chance for failure(Exampe VBar 3.6 vs V Bar 5).

Kontronik is typically recommended by some of us folk that have been in the E hobby because they have made wonderful ESC's since the early 2000's. Castle had a very long bumpy road and for a while did not seem to care about helis not to mention quality control issues.

You pay more with Kontronik because you actually get more technology(processing, packaging, size, weight). Also in the manual Kontronik spcifically states that their ESC current rating doubles with cooling. So an HV80 can be a 160. I know because Im actually using an HV80 on my heli with spikes in the 160. I use an active cooler on my ESC...

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01-02-2011 12:44 AM  6 years agoPost 165
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Great input i dint know acually how they worked

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01-02-2011 12:56 AM  6 years agoPost 166
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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Eco8gator Castle uses 8 bit microcontrollers for their ESC products based on the 8051 architecture. Just recently they switched to some very very very nice FETS (the things that actually deliver the power to your motor) and designed a stellar power board. Castle ESC's require a more hands on approach to get tuned in.

Kontronik uses a DSP processor which is much more capable than an 8051 allowing them to do very interesting things...like actively adjusting the motor values while the motor is running to optimize power delivery. They use a stellar power section and their circuit board fab is to me seems much more refined and advanced. Their packaging, size and weight are also very nice. Kontronik ESC's are more automated.

Both approaches have advantages and disadvantages. Forget about Head Speed...both ESC's can be made to hold a solid HS...

Kontronik can be annoying because its too automated...ask anyone who has tried a Neu motor(or other motors wound a similar way) with it. You have no options to adjust and if the Kontronik doesn't like something it will power the motor down or not even start up
Castle can be annoying because you have to read and actually understand stuff to get things to work well. From my experience in this hobby I do know that a majority of people actually have very catastrophic failures in this hobby because of ignorance. Too many parameters and ambiguity increase the chance for failure(Exampe VBar 3.6 vs V Bar 5).

Kontronik is typically recommended by some of us folk that have been in the E hobby because they have made wonderful ESC's since the early 2000's. Castle had a very long bumpy road and for a while did not seem to care about helis not to mention quality control issues.

You pay more with Kontronik because you actually get more technology(processing, packaging, size, weight). Also in the manual Kontronik spcifically states that their ESC current rating doubles with cooling. So an HV80 can be a 160. I know because Im actually using an HV80 on my heli with spikes in the 160. I use an active cooler on my ESC...
well said .
i like to program my own setups.

automated is good for beginners are folks that cant follow or understand instructions.

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01-02-2011 01:03 AM  6 years agoPost 167
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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Heli_KV
cg is perfect the scorpion 6 motor recommends a 50amp esc
Oh damn. I did not know this. I use Jazz 40...Should I upgrade?
no

HK-2221-6, Kv = 4400, Pmax = 525W, Imax = 50 Amps

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01-02-2011 01:23 AM  6 years agoPost 168
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automated is good for beginners are folks that cant follow or understand instructions.
Actually automated is good for folks that want a smooth adaptive ESC, free from the Castle drama.

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01-02-2011 02:32 AM  6 years agoPost 169
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Kontronik uses a DSP processor which is much more capable than an 8051 allowing them to do very interesting things...like actively adjusting the motor values while the motor is running to optimize power delivery.
It was my understanding that the CC also adjusts while running if outrunner mode is selected.

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01-02-2011 02:47 AM  6 years agoPost 170
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http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1093838

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01-02-2011 03:48 AM  6 years agoPost 171
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Wave
Senior Heliman

Actually automated is good for folks that want a smooth adaptive ESC, free from the Castle drama.
well said

but still i like to manually program my esc

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01-02-2011 04:35 PM  6 years agoPost 172
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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Heli_KV
Yes, if it is called overgear. It is necessary to give a room for governor to compensate for dropped voltage, increased load, etc. Rule of thumb it is necessary to select gear for throttle to be in about 85% to get desired HS in hover.
thanks kyle

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01-02-2011 08:31 PM  6 years agoPost 173
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I'm reasonably new to larger HV electric flying but learning at an exponentionial rate.

I,ve been flying a Trex 550/600 12S Hybrid strecth for close on 5 Months now. Its been a very interesting if not expensive love affair resulting in the demise of all my nitro models.

Up till now I've been running a Scorp 4025/550 CC80HV Combo governed at 1950/2100 using the recommended gearing according to the CC Esc's programing. Whilst the CC Gov works very well, as does the Autorotation function Its reliabilty has been less impressive.

No1 Esc failed on battery plug in..being around 6 weeks old and 150 flights in.

My No2 CC80HV Esc failed on spool-up after similiar usage being about 10 weeks old.

As I 3D competition fly, reliability is essential for quality practice and I just feel so very dissapointed with CC to date.

My main worry now having had two seperate Esc's fail, is whats the likelehood of a 3rd failure with a possible Esc fire taking out a well equipped model.?

At present I'm far from happy as I have a low disposable income and this kind of thing really sucks.

SPARTANRC Team pilot

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01-02-2011 08:44 PM  6 years agoPost 174
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Barney, are you aware of the CC recall of many ICE HV ESC's? They had a batch of bad (out of date) adhesive which caused case separation and subsequent overheating/shut down. I had one do this on me after about 15 flights. Fixed the ESC myself (and my heli) and it has been flawless ever since. I have two other newer ICE HV units that don't have the glue problem. It's easy to check. Review the recall notice on the CC website.

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01-02-2011 09:58 PM  6 years agoPost 175
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Hi Rexx, the First Esc was flown prior to the advisories and in Competition successfully and with the logging indicating it was running coolly was left, being my only airframe at that point in time and being in the UK would also mean a long downtime.

The 12S current surge at Plug in was the first Esc's demise rather than overheating. (this Esc has still not been returned being away now in excess of 2 months )

The 2nd Esc I was told by the vendor was post Advisory new stock. This one failed on Initial Spoolup after similiar usage..

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01-03-2011 07:03 PM  6 years agoPost 176
Rogman88

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talked to pilots better than myself,
Like Al?
automated is good for beginners are folks that cant follow or understand instructions.
Where's Ron? Ron you can't take this from Clown!!!

I'm so bad stirring the pot

I'd better get back over to the nitro/electric thread where I belong

High Voltage just works better

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01-03-2011 10:11 PM  6 years agoPost 177
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Where's Ron? Ron you can't take this from Clown!!!

Insha Allah made in america

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01-04-2011 03:18 PM  6 years agoPost 178
Rob43

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EVidently, the site administrators aren't that concerned about these threads getting out of hand. At least two altercations on this one that added no value to the OP.

Rob

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01-04-2011 03:49 PM  6 years agoPost 179
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Rob43 EVidently, the site administrators aren't that concerned about these threads getting out of hand. At least two altercations on this one that added no value to the OP.
their was a lot of useful information given in this thread

and pz accept my personal apology if you had a problem in this post with someone.

and i hope i can find a used jive for my 700 and if this cc esc burns up it will be replaced with a jive

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01-04-2011 04:24 PM  6 years agoPost 180
Frank Bostwick

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Heres a clue?
How often do you see a Jive HV80 in the sale section?

RIP ROMAN

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