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01-03-2011 12:04 AM  6 years agoPost 81
cudaboy_71

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I already have an interface, not sure what you mean?
you may have a hardware interface. but, AFAIK there is no software interface yet. if you have it, please let me know the link to download.

if it ain't broke, break it.

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01-03-2011 12:56 AM  6 years agoPost 82
w12martin

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I'm sure MB will be at the same level than V-bar and GY750.
I was lucky to fly a little bit the GY750 and the feeling is very close with MB.
Both awesome, predictable and flybared feeling. A bit different compared with Vbar 5.0

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01-03-2011 01:37 AM  6 years agoPost 83
PC12DRVR

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I haven't tried the interface, that's why I asked if anyone had, and I can't find a manual anywhere
, that's why I don't know what it's for , firmware only? Or what ??

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01-03-2011 02:32 AM  6 years agoPost 84
rexxigpilot

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Why would anyone want their FBL system to fly like a flybar? That's like wanting your Porsche 911 Turbo to drive like a horse and buggy!

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01-03-2011 03:55 AM  6 years agoPost 85
Wingspinner99

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I have the MB, an SK720, and two 3G's.

The MB is amazingly simple to setup and it works well. I think bang for the buck there isn't anything better. Also, because it's small and self contained, it works really well for smaller heli's like 250 and 450 size.

The SK720 is an awesome unit with a lot of tuning capability. Took more tuning to get it satisfactory for me but it's my favorite because of it's feature, flexibility, and future proofing. It's got a really fast processor and Skookum has all kinds of upgrades planned.

Lastly, the 3Gs. I had a lot of trouble at first until I figured out that the problem is that the sensor just doesn't have enough mass to filter out unwanted vibrations. I looked at the other FBL units on the market and found that they all are in the 20g range. Once I added two metal plates siliconed directly to the sensor all the gremlins went away and I have to say, with that fix it works great and it's the easiest by far to setup - even vs the MB. With the above fix on the 3G my little T-250 feels as stable as a much larger machine.

For Align helicopters the 3G is no doubt the best deal since it comes with the FBL head.

For others, the MB is the most bang for the buck and the SK720 is the high-end unit with cool features and lots of tuning capability for those skilled enough pilots that need it.

My two cents...

Wingspinner

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01-03-2011 03:58 AM  6 years agoPost 86
sandtrx

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Both awesome, predictable and flybared feeling
Here's a thought, If you want it to fly like a flybarred machine, leave the flybar on, the whole point of going fbl is to get rid of the flybar feeling, maybe i'm full of crap and misled, but that is my thoughts.

Vibe 50 (V Bar) Protos 500 (Vbar) Trex 700 (Vbar)

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01-03-2011 04:09 AM  6 years agoPost 87
Tyler

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As a pilot that has not flown flybarless at all, let alone converted any of my personal machines, I believe that there is merit in dropping the flybar even if and electronic version feels exactly the same. Isn't there desirable gain in efficiency, reduced weight, less damaged bits in a crash, longer flight times? Aren't they all benefits? Additionally, gaining these advantages would not be worth it to me if I had to deal with gyros that didn't respond the way I was expecting, like cyclic bouncing and corkscrewed piros. There are real disadvantages to some flybarless systems. Flybars feel great within their envelope of physical limitations, but having electronics take a helicopter beyond those physical limits and introduce undesirable side effects have kept me waiting for technology to improve. I have no gripe with how a flybar machine feels, but I would like the bonuses found without paddles and flybar.

Enjoy things that money can buy IF you don't lose the things money can't buy.

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01-03-2011 04:46 AM  6 years agoPost 88
Mojave

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I can't speak for everyone, but I will say that I don't have any of the "undesirable" issues with my vbars. Not to say that I haven't had a learning curve with them, or had to overcome small issues, but they tune and fly awesome...PERIOD. I think most of the issues people encounter are due to lack of understanding of the basic programming. IMHO, Mikado fixed that with the new 5.0 programming.

All helis and planes have an expiration date stamped on them...you only find it after you crash!!

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01-03-2011 08:22 AM  6 years agoPost 89
w12martin

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the whole point of going fbl is to get rid of the flybar feeling
Flybared feeling (not flying like a flybared system), from my point of view is more concerned with how much control and how much you feel connected with the helicopter (like flying a mechanical system) without the stick imputs being controled or affected by the 3 gyro system. Having said that, I found that the BeastX and GY750 FBL systems gave me a very neutral and connected feeling with the advantage of more power, less drag, less weight, faster cyclic, better autorotations, etc, etc...

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01-03-2011 08:51 AM  6 years agoPost 90
jyzoom

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Singapore

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my 2 cents.

I am not an expert flyer, more like intermedite flyer that can do some acrobatic. I do have experience for on FBL for slightly more then 2 years now, having try early version of VBAR 1.x, 3x, 4x and 5x, CSM , gyrobot, SK720 and now BeastX.

I still remember that I keep telling people I am still looking for a FBL that giving the feeling of "Fly Bar" until I fly SK720 and then Vbar 5.x...the feeling is closer to flybar. And now with BeastX...it is even closer to flybar.

But reading what w12martin post...I should now change my term of "fly bar Like" to "A FBL systems gave me a very neutral and connected feeling with the advantage of more power, less drag, less weight, faster cyclic "....

w12martin : +1

Jonathan

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01-03-2011 02:28 PM  6 years agoPost 91
THX1138

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@ w12martin,

I disagree. The whole point of flybarless is the increased power and efficiency. There have been several people in the past that gave it a shot in and went back to flybar cuz they like the feel. Myself, I thought it was different but not so much that I wanted to go back.

There are so many things about FBL that I love. Yes, different systems do "feel" a little different in flight but that really doesn't bother me.

It has been said many times, it all comes down to what you like. Some like the flybar feel, some don't care, and some don't even notice. Total G, V-bar all the way.

Lou

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01-03-2011 02:32 PM  6 years agoPost 92
lowflyer101

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I guess peep praise MB cuz it fly just like flybar heli , and the tail are first class plus easy set up. 3G has lot faster cyclic, Most hard 3D on local field they sworn by Vbar 5.0, while some beginner and mid level switch to MB from 3G and Mikado.

I like MB overall, the only point I disagree is cyclic speeds, Not as fast as other system.

<-freedoom flyer->

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01-03-2011 02:53 PM  6 years agoPost 93
w12martin

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THX1138:Sorry, EDITED
lowflyer101: Try the control behaviour "Extreme" and increase Ail and Ele D/R to 125%

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01-03-2011 03:21 PM  6 years agoPost 94
cudaboy_71

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Try the control behaviour "Extreme" and increase Ail and Ele D/R to 125%
i havent tried making changes as above, so i could be wrong. but, i don't believe DR/EXP function until you set the control behaviour to 'Transmitter'....at least that's what the manual seems to imply.

if it ain't broke, break it.

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01-03-2011 03:43 PM  6 years agoPost 95
w12martin

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i don't believe DR/EXP function until you set the control behaviour to 'Transmitter'....at least that's what the manual seems to imply.
My T-Rex 600NSP (Rotortech 6103D) was way too slow with the control behaviour "transmitter" with 100% DR.
I changed to "PRO" but it was still too slow. Then I changed to "extreme" and it improved a bit but not enough. Finally I ended up with DR at 125% (ail and elev) and the difference in speed was huge!
Just try it, you can change it in only a few seconds...

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01-03-2011 03:53 PM  6 years agoPost 96
PC12DRVR

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Couldn't you do the same in ATV as well ?

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01-03-2011 04:00 PM  6 years agoPost 97
cudaboy_71

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Couldn't you do the same in ATV as well ?
the manual recommends you do both: ATV and DR/EXP. But, as i was trying to state above, the manual suggests you do this in 'Transmitter' mode only. it does not mention adjusting ATV or DR/EXP while the unit is managing the functions.

i find it curious that martin left the DR at 100% in the one mode you SHOULD adjust it in (i have mine at 112% in TX mode). But, found the need to adjust to 125% in the mode handled by beastx.

It was my understanding that the unit handled all expo in the named modes. But, martin is right about one thing--it will only take a minutes to experiment with. too bad it's raining right now or i'd pop it up in the air.

if it ain't broke, break it.

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01-03-2011 07:58 PM  6 years agoPost 98
lowflyer101

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W12martin: I m use " transmitter" with zero to 10 expo. The manual did not say anything about input value for tx mode,

Shall I increase DR to 125 to speed cyclic up. Expo don't seem to work for me

<-freedoom flyer->

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01-04-2011 09:39 AM  6 years agoPost 99
w12martin

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One thing that could be done, just to know if there is any difference in the maximum rotation rate and reaction to stick imputs is to set D/R to 120% for example, and try the two modes: "Transmitter" and "Extreme"

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01-04-2011 05:47 PM  6 years agoPost 100
Skookum Robotics

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I wonder if the model T-Ford was ever advertised as having horse-and-buggy-like handling?

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