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09-06-2003 11:29 PM  14 years agoPost 1
darrenb

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i have a raptor 30 v2 with a pcm10 and gy 401,s9253
and can any one advise me on my settings and after ive set it all i have now got a steedy flashing led

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09-07-2003 12:09 AM  14 years agoPost 2
NiteLite

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401 gyro w/9253

You have to program exactly as the directions say, and in the proper sequence. Turn on the Tx and then the Rx. Have your gyro switch in the heading hold position. You should get a series of quick flashes and then a steady red one.

Hope this helps.

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09-07-2003 12:11 AM  14 years agoPost 3
trey3670

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i dunno if you have a futaba 9c or not but this should help you no mater what radio you have,http://www.raptortechnique.com/gy401-futaba9c.htm
even tells you how to do it on your bird

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09-07-2003 01:14 AM  14 years agoPost 4
Dr.Ben

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step by step

I wrote this litte set up guide for the tech support folks at Great Planes (US) to use when guys called in confused over 401 set up. It's but ONE way of doing it, but it does appear to get guys off on the right foot.

Ben Minor

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Quick Start Guide for the GY401

Background………………..

Without a doubt, the GY401/9253 is one of the best tail rotor stabilization systems produced to date. Its simple set up and solid performance characteristics have made it a hands down favorite among many sport helicopter pilots. The instructions that come with the gyro are good, but they offer several options for set up. Some of these options are more confusing than others, sometimes confusing the newcomer and making him or her feel the gyro is a great deal more complicated to set up than it ever has to be. What follows is ONE example for setting up the GY401 gyro that works for virtually any model and almost any brand of radio. It avoids the use of any preprogrammed gyro software, because many months of following posts and questions on the various web forums has proven that those software menus produce far more confusion than the set up about to be detailed. One final note: The GY401 works best with the 9253 servo, period. Even the best analog and digital servos that Futaba produces pale in comparison to the performance achieved when the gyro is paired with the 9253 servo. Any and all callers who are attempting to use another servo with the GY401 should be strongly encouraged to obtain a 9253 servo as soon as possible.


Step by step set up:

1. Mount the gyro using either the supplied tape or a single layer of high quality 1/8 inch servo tape. Multiple layers of tape are unnecessary and potentially detrimental to gyro performance if the mounting becomes excessively “spongy”.

2. On most helicopters, a servo wheel with ball joint mounting radius of 12.5-14mm is a good starting point. A wheel with a hole drilled for the ball joint is preferred over a “star” arm because of greater rigidity.

3. The helicopter model and engine must be running smoothly. No gyro will eve perform correctly if the model is vibrating or the engine is incorrectly tuned.

4. Confirm that no subtrim or ATV is present in the transmitter in any flight condition on the rudder channel. This point is critical. For the time being, keep the rudder AFR or D/R’s at 100%, as well.

5. Using the limit trimmer pot on the gyro, adjust the tail rotor travel as needed for no binding at extremes of throw. Make certain left and right inputs are checked, because many helicopters have asymmetrical tail rotor pitch change mechanisms.

6. The delay trimmer should remain at 0. If the user insists on using a servo other than the 9253, some amount of delay may be required to soften the bounce/rebound of the tail at the end of quick rudder inputs.

7. Set the DIP switch on the gyro for digital servo, assuming the 9253 is installed. Don’t forget to ask about what servo the customer is using.

8. The direction DIP switch is set such that movement of the nose of the model to the left (counter clockwise) causes the gyro to supply a right tail rotor command to the servo. Check and double check this point, because getting it backwards can cause needless excitement on a model’s first flight.

9. The rudder input lead for the gyro is plugged into the rudder channel slot in the receiver. On a Futaba receiver, this is channel number 4.

10. The tail rotor servo is plugged into the output lead from the gyro.

11. The gain select lead is plugged into any unoccupied slot in the receiver that has a corresponding switched channel on the transmitter. Channel 5 works well in most Futaba receivers and transmitters.

12. Inhibit all preprogrammed gyro software in the transmitter.

13. With transmitter and receiver turned on, watch the red LED on the gyro after the gyro initializes. If it is solid red, the gyro is in AVCS/heading hold mode. Flipping the gain select switch will cause the LED to go off, indicating normal, non AVCS mode. The gyro should always be turned on in AVCS mode and the model left motionless until the solid red LED appears.

14. The ATV for the gain select channel has two sides. One side controls heading hold gain; the other side controls rate gain. Observing the ATV screen in the radio for the gain select channel will allow the user to determine which is which. Both sides of the ATV should be set for 50% for starters. This value rarely causes the tail to “hunt” on first hovering flights.

15. Reduce the rudder AFR/D/R to 50% both left and right. This value will yield a mild pirouette rate that can then be increased to suit the taste of the pilot.

16. The model should now be hovered in normal/rate mode. Adjust the tail rotor linkage until the model hovers with the tail in trim. Do not disturb the trim in the radio. Proper trim can and should be obtained mechanically by adjusting the tail rotor pushrod.

17. Once ideal trim is obtained, land the model. Do not disturb the rudder. Quickly cycle the gain select switch three times, ending up in the AVCS mode/position. The model should now hover with no drift.

18. In the old days, we ran as much gain as possible without having the tail “hunt” or “wag”. Proper technique for greatest tail rotor servo life should be to run as much gain as needed for the most demanding maneuver and no more. This value may be well below the point of “hunting”, but that is just fine. Gain for AVCS is adjusted by increasing or decreasing the side of the gain select channel’s ATV which corresponds to AVCS mode. Again, watch the LED to confirm which mode the gyro is in before making adjustments. It should be blinking in AVCS mode. Gain for rate or normal may be kept at or near 50%. Further adjustments are rarely needed as most pilot fly in ACVS mode all the time. Those pilots wishing to use rate or normal can adjust that gain in the same manner as for AVCS, though the gain select switch will be thrown in the opposite direction than for AVCS.

19. Pirouette rate for the model should be set using the AFR or D/R menu for the rudder channel. Many pilots use rudder ATV for reduction of pirouette rate, and the suggestion to do so runs rampant on the web forums. That technique is incorrect, since it can cause trim shifts and poor linearity to the feel of the tail rotor in flight.

20. Pilots wishing to soften the feel of the tail rotor around center stick while preserving a crisp pirouette rate should be encouraged to program in at least –20% exponential (+20% if the gyro is being used with a JR transmitter) on the rudder channel.

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09-07-2003 01:38 AM  14 years agoPost 5
cdrking

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Dr. Ben,

Regarding step #19 in the above setup. If I am at 100% dual rate how do I increase the piro rate? I have a GY401 with a JR 10X radio.

I have always understood that you increase or decrease ATV to increase or decrease piro rate.

I am now at 100% ATV for the rudder and 100% dual rate. The ATV can be increased beyond the 100% but the dual can not be increased beyond 100%.

Do I run a different servo arm? I forget if you increase length or decrease length?

Thanks,

Jeff

To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.

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09-07-2003 04:42 AM  14 years agoPost 6
Dr.Ben

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You can increase the rudder ATV beyond 100% in 5% or so increments until you achieve your desired piro rate. As per the warnings in the manual, we avoid DEcreasing piro rate with ATV's below 100% because trim/neutral shifting may occur. Use the AFR/DR for this.

Ben Minor

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09-07-2003 04:49 AM  14 years agoPost 7
cdrking

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Ah yes the manual. My wife has accused me many times of not reading the manual. I only wish I had one for her.

Thanks for the info.

Jeff

PS. Got my Fury running real nice. Thanks again.

To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.

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11-05-2003 10:30 AM  14 years agoPost 8
ecranage

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Dr Ben,
4. Confirm that no subtrim or ATV is present in the transmitter in any flight condition on the rudder channel. This point is critical.
Please can you explain what no ATV is? I am confused - do I set it to 0% or 100%?:confused

Cheers,
Evan:

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11-05-2003 12:09 PM  14 years agoPost 9
wolfdad

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I believe his reference point is 100% ATV based on his reference to not going below 100%, instead using AFR/DR.

Dr. Ben, excellent piece. Reads will and is extremely timely as I am just finishing up my second Voyager 50 and will be installing exactly that combination (GY 401/9253).

Thanks,

wolfdad sends.....

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