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09-05-2003 05:34 AM  14 years agoPost 1
rcrebel

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Hi all. I have been flying helis for 5 years now and am addicted. I've had almost every brand of heli but have never owned a Hirobo machine. I keep up on the RunRyder forums and I've noticed that nobody ever has anything negative to say about a Freya. I always read how it "flies on rails", is a grab-n-go machine, or all out fun. Then, I hear about this great product support that is offered by Jeff Green, and I've decided to purchase a Freya model.

Now, I currently have a Raptor 50 and Raptor 60. I just got rid of my Fury because I wasn't happy with the eCCPM interactions. I am going to replace the Fury with a Freya, but I don't know if I should buy the standard Freya ($500) or the X-Spec ($875). I currently have a brand new OS 61/Hatori muffler that needs a home, along with a 401/9253 gyro and four Futaba 9252 servos.

I actually like the way the Raptor 60 flies - I know it's not the top performer, but it flies well for me. How does the Freya or X-spec compare to a R60? I read the post of "wishes" that Auger has for the X-spec and wondered if it flies better than the R60?

The X-spec comes with gearing for a 60 and 90 engine, correct? And, I think the X-spec is a pound lighter than the Freya so would it do alright with a 60 for now until the engine dies and I get a YS 91? Am I better off with the X-spec or Freya?

I'm a mid-level pilot. I am trying to learn 3D type flight. Currently into inverted flight (this season) and am going to learn some 3D stuff too. I'm by no means an advanced pilot and am still learning the difficult maneuvers. Have no desire to perform "Hardcore 3D", just nice, smooth 3D flight when I get to that point.

Please help....I'm open to all comments and helpful info so I can make an informed purchase.

Thanks,
Scott aka rcrebel

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09-05-2003 05:38 AM  14 years agoPost 2
irq

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If the extra $375 initial purchase and slightly higher crash costs aren't *too* much of a concern for you, go with the X-spec. The lighter weight, smoother drivetrain and metal yoke really make an appreciable difference. Upgrading from the stock Freya to a full X-spec setup is not cheap.

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09-05-2003 05:40 AM  14 years agoPost 3
yankee

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rcrebel,

i have the same questions but i would also like to see crash costs between the two. i was thinking about a fury extreme but i have read that it is far more expensive to repair.

mark

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09-05-2003 05:40 AM  14 years agoPost 4
rcrebel

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Are crash costs of an X-spec similar to a Fury? Can you give a rough idea of a crash cost not including blades? Flybar, spindle, boom, etc.

rcrebel

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09-05-2003 05:48 AM  14 years agoPost 5
jkelly

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My opinion on the X-spec is, if you can afford it go ahead and get it. If you get a standard Freya but intend to upgrade it you may spend more than the X-Spec costs. So now you have a lighter and already upgraded machine. If you are concerned with the initial costs then the standard Freya is great. I'm purposefully flying the Freya as a standard version with the upgrades I like. With the extras it's as much as an X but I was trying to stick with the plastic. I like rigid stacked frames but I love the plastic and it's simplicity. I'll probably be going X at some point for the lighter weight but will still have the standard too. I really like my 91 standard+.

Reguarding the crash index, it's pretty common that the Fury is more and of course depending on where you buy your repair parts it can make quite a difference. A couple of serious crashes on mine were near the $300 mark.

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09-05-2003 06:00 AM  14 years agoPost 6
rcrebel

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What upgrades are needed on the standard Freya for worry free flight? I don't mind the cost of the X-spec, but seems it comes with a shorter flybard, taller landing gear, and a questionable autohub bearing? I might consider upgrading a Freya with the needed parts rather than buy the X-spec. The money I save on the X-spec kit, I can buy a YS 91 for the Freya instead.

rcrebel

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09-05-2003 06:13 AM  14 years agoPost 7
irq

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but seems it comes with a shorter flybard, taller landing gear, and a questionable autohub bearing?
(all of the below applies to the latest Freya kit)

1) I have received 490mm flybars with both the latest stock Freya kit and the X-spec kit. Jeff Green recently said that new X-specs will or are now coming with the 555mm. If it doesn't, he will most likely send you one for nothing.

2) The landing gear are exactly the same shape and size. The only difference is that the X-spec landing gear has metal skid holders wheras the stock Freya is plastic. The older style Freya landing gear were bigger and heavier, but they are not being sold in new kits.

3) The auto hub bearings between the Freya and the X-spec are identical. Any possible problems can be removed by putting grease inside the auto case.

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09-05-2003 06:15 AM  14 years agoPost 8
Jarno

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If you go with the big block, then you should get a delrin main gear and the 3rd bearing block. Nothing else than that is necessary in my opinion (except suitable gearing for .91 sure). I've been flying my stock Freya for some 450 tanks now and it still keeps going very well. I will try that push-pull pitch set some day, just for curiosity.

Cheers

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09-05-2003 06:30 AM  14 years agoPost 9
JWBurns

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I'm in the same boat you are in Scott. I'm going with the standard Freya - Picking one up in the morning. I will initally upgrade the gearing for a big block. My issue now is what engine to use......
OS 91 C-Spec, or the
YS 91

Can anyone tell me whay one is better over the other????

Jason

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09-05-2003 06:45 AM  14 years agoPost 10
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Go with the YS. It's just plain awesome. I would use one myself, but we have to pay so %&#" high prices for fuel here. Not like with you guys in the States. So get the YS. I also like the regulator it has. You get very constant fuel flow no matter how much fuel you got left in tank. Power can be compared to my Webra, which I think kicks much better than the c-spec..

if you are not scared of 'uncommon' engine brand and want tons of power with low nitro, then get a Webra. it's worth the money.

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09-05-2003 12:13 PM  14 years agoPost 11
rcrebel

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Excellent feedback everyone - keep it coming.

Only upgrades the Freya needs is the delrin gears if going with a big block? From reading previous threads, I remember hearing about a third bearing block, 1 pc. engine mount, knurled mainshaft? and some others.

Is the X-spec lighter weight than the Freya?

rcrebel

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09-05-2003 01:14 PM  14 years agoPost 12
davehour

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Yes, the X-Spec is lighter than the Freya. About 1/2 pound or bit more.

I bought a Freya and I've been converting mine to the X-Spec. If you are considering ever going to big block, buy the X-Spec. The upgrades you receive cost much more than the difference. It's definitely a deal.

The dollard difference was worked out in another thread. Do a search and you'll find it. I'ts about $300.00 more if you convert a Freya to a X-Spec than buying it. That's without taking the work you have to pass to install/replace the parts, which is not so easy in some of them.

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09-05-2003 01:20 PM  14 years agoPost 13
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upgrades

I would go with the standard Freya and get the few upgrades the machine may need and spend the rest on a 91. Or that's what I did. I got the metal auto hub, push-pull coll, third bearing block for main shaft and counter gear, and gearing for the 91. I don't think anything else needs to be upgraded right away. With the 91 weight isn't a big issue. Now in time I will upgrade to a metal yoke. My head is developing a little slop. I am sure it doesn't effect the aircraft. I am just picky when it comes to building (A&P mech). It terms of crashes, their is no torque tube which saves atleast $25 off the batt. Main shaft is $13, spindle is $9, boom is $21 and the octagonal shape is stiffer than any carbon boom. Just a boom and torque tube on a Fury are close to $50, and the Freya you get a boom, spindle, and main shaft. O ya, I love my blow molded canopy that doesn't break in a minor mishap. Fiberglass just doesn't hold up the way a blow molded milk jug canopy does. Not to mention once you get a nice fiberglass canopy and put primer, paint and clear coat on it, it weighs alot more.
The one thing I would definately say about the Freya is the trouble free assembly and low maint. that has to be done if any. I worked at a hobby store for years and have owned almost every machine out there and the Freya is just an awesome machine. You can't go wrong.

Clark

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09-05-2003 03:02 PM  14 years agoPost 14
Agilefalcon

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I'm flying my Freya in the following configuration.

Standard Freya with:
Third Bearing block - A definite worth having item
Delrin Main Gear - When you ruin the kit item
Low height landing gear - now standard in the kit
Metal washout slide block - When you wear out the kit item
11 tooth pinion - to go with my OS 91 FX (non C-Spec)
Metal auto-hub - A definite worth having item if using an 80-90 engine

Other than that, my Freya is stock. It is a great performing helicopter that is reliable and robust, plus it looks great. It is also extremely durable in crashes and more importantly, is very easy and quick to repair.

By the way, Augusto has some outstanding carbon frame sets that together with the L-Angles, cooling fan cover, and spacer sets, go a long way to converting a std. Freya to an X-Spec. Personally though, I think for what you want to accomplish right now with this model, the standard Freya is a superb compromise. You just can't beat the fact that the std. Freya is under $500!! Put the money you saved into spares for later on, or radio equipment, or whatever.

Whatever your choice, you'll be delighted with the outstanding flight characteristics of this helicopter whether in the hover, looping or rolling, or 3D. Plus, MRC truly stands behind their products.

Regards,

Chris Berardi
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09-05-2003 03:14 PM  14 years agoPost 15
EChapkis

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Freyas

I have a Std Freya upgraded to 91 and an X Spec.

Doesn't matter which one you buy. You have a 61 and not into 3D or light 3D. While the X Spec is 3D ready, the regular Freya will 3D fine for someone learning (like me too).

Evan Chapkis Tampa, Florida

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09-05-2003 03:20 PM  14 years agoPost 16
Daniel Santana

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My vote is for standard Freya

I like the standard one because it's all plastic. I'll KNOW if it is broken.
I also don't care for the carbon side frames or bending metal landing gear back into place.

I do like the metal yoke, so I tried the TDG head with the metal blade grips. ($110) I know that once I crash on that head and the shakes start, my temper will get the better part of me and all the plastic pieces are going back in.

Also, I would spend the extra money on the 91 as well. it will more than out do the weight difference.

For the upgrades, Jeff Green may still have the required parts for the bigger engine in an "upgrade kit" available for $50. The kit will have delrin gear, clutch bell housing and gear, hardened main shaft.

I am a believer of the 3rd bearing block on the main, especially if you don't use the extra 10 mm, pitch push/pull on the collective too... saves the nice servo.

I ended up getting the metal "timing thingy" it bites better. Eventhough the new shafts come with a better gripping area for the platic piece, in my case I use the extra 10mm on the shaft, so it "misses" the good spot. The plastic pice should be fine.

As for the hardened mains, I use the soft ones. I crash once a month and guess what, they do infact bend more than the hardened ones... (can of worms) The only time I've bent them in flight was because of a bent center hub.

As for the autohub, I believe most people experiencing the slipping fly above and beyond us. However, as IRQ mentioned, it can be "fixed" by greasing the bearing. Augusto wrote a good article on it here: http://runryder.com/helicopter/t554...one+way+bearing

On a final note... I think the X-spec does come with the on off switch plate. You will want to buy on the standard Freya.

I stayed away from Fury's because of the eCCPM interactions that can occur. This might be especially confusing for a beginner.

My $.02

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09-05-2003 06:51 PM  14 years agoPost 17
irq

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I said "auto hub bearing", not "auto hub".

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09-05-2003 07:03 PM  14 years agoPost 18
Andi G

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Hi,

could somebody post the estimated prices for those parts and/or the part number so I can look it up myself? Thanks!

Regards,

Andi

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09-05-2003 07:39 PM  14 years agoPost 19
Daniel Santana

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1X $479 KIT.
http://www.ronlund.com/Merchant2/me...duct_Code=FREYA

1X 6.95 on/off switch plate... not switch, just the plate.
http://www.ronlund.com/Merchant2/me...uct_Code=414198

$50 upgrde required if going with the 90...(This has the clutch bell housing with the gear, the 95 toorh delrin gear, and the hardened main shaft.) You would have to verify that Hirobo is still running this offer.

$5.24 had to add it to the list.
http://www.ronlund.com/Merchant2/me...uct_Code=MA0875

Missing Bearing block and push/pull collective... Anyone got part numbers?

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09-05-2003 07:45 PM  14 years agoPost 20
irq

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Third Bearing Block is 0404-618; bearing for it is 2500-049.

Push Pull Collective is 0414-220.

Also, you only really need the split shaft collar if you're going to be using the hardened shaft (which is recommended for 90 size engines by Hirobo.)

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