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05-02-2011 05:10 AM  6 years agoPost 3881
BobOD

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8 minutes would bore to tears pros run out of excitement after 4-5 anyhow
So...not up to the challenge then. Excuses excuses.

Besides, I wonder why we see the pros making all these 8 min flights.

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05-02-2011 05:17 AM  6 years agoPost 3882
OICU812

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No I said it before there is at this time no electric that does that never said there was ur hanging onto that as that's all ya got. All these guys that are excited about 7-8 minutes you show me a vid ifnyou doing more the 4 minutes of off the hook flying constantly different moves non stop? Exactly... If I want learning time I'll gear for that. If I want beastly power my 4.5 mins is good and I'll work my best at filling with different moves non stop but not there yet. Again my individual flight time 100% is less my total time back to back all day daddy is on average and has been more then all my nitro buds all last years events. That's what matters to me is my not waiting like it's made out to be.

Btw daniel katzavs alpine smack down vid makes that big nitro look slow at best.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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05-02-2011 05:19 AM  6 years agoPost 3883
OICU812

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Btw all pro routines and competition flights are all under 5 minutes Bob. Feel free to look it's true. Watch the podiums this year and we'll recap the argument then nitro positions on podiums may be scarce!!!

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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05-02-2011 05:20 AM  6 years agoPost 3884
BobOD

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Bob, if your going to say this Szabo flight
Band, it started with a good burst indeed. Went straight into conserve mode. In fact, there was quite a lot of calm flying for only a 4 min flight.

I'll throw the same as you threw at me. When was the last time you flew a 600 Nitro running 620's at 2400RPM with a YS90... without bog?

And, when was the last time you flew a 700 with a 120 in it?

Same principal...different size is all. Only I have 160% the displacement (90/55) as the common setup and the 700 only has 130% (120/90).

It is only a matter of energy rate of use versus duration. And the Nitro has a lot more energy...so can always kill the e....in whatever category. Except the easy part. OK, I'll give you that. True performance just isn't easy I guess.

nuff said.

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05-02-2011 05:21 AM  6 years agoPost 3885
BobOD

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No I said it before there is at this time no electric that does that
So, there's no argument then. Not up to the challenge. Got it.

STIR!

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05-02-2011 05:32 AM  6 years agoPost 3886
Band1086

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Band, it started with a good burst indeed. Went straight into conserve mode. In fact, there was quite a lot of calm flying for only a 4 min flight.
Your the only person on here who sees it that way, but I guess that's good enough for you.
All the glowheads on here are bantering away at the flight time issue, that's the last bastion of defense they have...I as a watthead give you that one for now, but the E's win in every other category. So no more useless defence of glow is needed!

Enough said!

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05-02-2011 05:41 AM  6 years agoPost 3887
OICU812

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Bob what I said, I also stated 40-50 pages back no ones really arguing that. Fact is each flight on electric is more powerful and impressive and the technology and reliability is there to go back to back all day and outfly nitro in terms of total fly time in the day with no grief and big smiles. As band states there really is no advantage to nitro. You want long flight times both deliver. You want mind blowing competition power then go electric. Done deal, plug n play back to back all day long...

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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05-02-2011 06:41 AM  6 years agoPost 3888
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Sorry but you guys just don't get to say what I like.

Don't forget, I fly electrics...and enjoy them very much. It's just that Nitro offers more. These days, I use the electrics for convienence. Nitro for the real show.

And, Shawn...yes, I probably do spend more time creating performance than most, but that's part of the hobby for me. I said that long ago. Top performance just doesn't come off the shelf.

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05-02-2011 06:43 AM  6 years agoPost 3889
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A peak HP of 6HP on my little 6 cell setup .

Watch at YouTube

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05-02-2011 06:56 AM  6 years agoPost 3890
BobOD

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BTW, there are some other more subtle things I like to get out of my Nitros.
Like cranking the needle open a few clicks and laying down a nice smoke trail in front of the e-guys when the wind is just right.

And when some guys are discussing their ESC settings, I love to do endless tic-tocs right in front of 'em.

Hey CX1, you ever partake in these "lifes little treasures"?

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05-02-2011 06:59 AM  6 years agoPost 3891
BladeStrikes

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Man that video flat out SUCKED .Had the hatcam pointed down too low .I'll get a good one tomorrow bot don't even bother watching that video ^^ ..

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05-02-2011 07:14 AM  6 years agoPost 3892
OICU812

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Bob I like to do countless flights while the nitro guys are in pits trying to get their engines started, throwing around glo plugs like they were rocks, cursing and getting all covered in goo!

Bob truth is you use your electrics when the crowd wants to hear symphony of blades and smooth mechanics. At the end of your day you take out the Nitros to show them your appreciation to the nostalgia, it warms the old boys hearts, I understand I really do man! kinda like driving an old dodge truck on a weekend.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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05-02-2011 08:11 AM  6 years agoPost 3893
rexxigpilot

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Bob, what electric do you fly, a 450? As far as flight times are concerned, it does not matter since both nitro and electric can land and refuel/change batteries.

Also, the large electrics flown by the typical RC heli pilot get plenty of flight time. No one, not even the pros unless in competition or practicing for competition, flies back to back 3D moves for more than 3 to 4 minutes. It just gets boring! Precision big air maneuvers are more challenging to do well than the typical 3D moves for many pilots. I prefer to do a mix of both. That's not coasting. It's a more diversified routine and it's more interesting!

It is clear that electric makes far more power than nitro. The total energy content of nitro fuel does not matter when the engines are too inefficient to get much energy and power out of it.

So, it may be time to let this thread die for now. I say we all come back a year from now and see how many change their preference and whether the majority of changes are to electric or nitro.

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05-02-2011 08:53 AM  6 years agoPost 3894
OLROY

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I don't see this thread ever dying...if it did someone else will copy cat it just like Heli Ace X did.

Only way I see it dying is if nitro fuel stop producing and batteries was booming

So fly all your NITRO before they stop making it.

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05-02-2011 09:40 AM  6 years agoPost 3895
siang

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lol, cant help poping in once in awhile just to see how hateful the e guys are towards nitro, lol.

Electrics = plug and play, 2 mins fun(grunt), 3 mins floating( do they call that big air????), best for beginers and park flyer, no wonder we get such a bad reputation

Nitro = noisy, smelly and dirty, better stay off if you want to keep your finger nails clean, live till 100 or hear the birds singing, hehe. Full of grunt all the way thru. Long flying time, not for those who easily get their pants wet or those who'd want to land as soon as it goeas up, lol.

Just stirring, haha.

welcome to the dark side =)

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05-02-2011 01:03 PM  6 years agoPost 3896
BobOD

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Bob, what electric do you fly,
Logo 600

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05-02-2011 01:35 PM  6 years agoPost 3897
Bogdan

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What about a hybrid power system?

Half nitro half electric:
1) engage the electric motor with the drop of rpm or by using a separate channel;
2) you know that you have only a limited amount of electrical bursts per flight.

And everybody is happy.

Just joking... Wait…..Why not?

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05-02-2011 02:21 PM  6 years agoPost 3898
Ronald Thomas

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Wow lots of responses since my last post

@ Bob

That video was not impressive at all as far as power is concerned. So I guess the "challenge" is to get an electric to fly for 8 minutes with the same power.....less.
Even if it is done you guys will come back with the "he still has to charge his batteries" debate and the point will be moot.
So can we assume you need insane amounts of sustained HP to make speed?

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05-02-2011 02:27 PM  6 years agoPost 3899
CX1

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Bob competition flights are 4 minutes or under always. 8 minutes would bore to tears pros run out of excitement after 4-5 anyhow I'm sure all is mortals can't go past fast and constantly different for more then 3-3.5. If I want to float around and learn I can gear an electric for 20-30 minutes no problem. If the extra time is needed to learn I can do that by pinion change something you cant do with nitro in minutes or if using a jive esc I can do it all, one heli same setup just lower headspeed constant and smooth and reliable
competiton flight times were reduced to accomodate e-heli's
or else the e-flight would be forgoten long befor the Nitro heli's landed.

you don't need to change the pinion on a nitro: we use something called the throttle
Bob I like to do countless flights while the nitro guys are in pits trying to get their engines started, throwing around glo plugs like they were rocks, cursing and getting all covered in goo!
I have never seen that happen in my area unless they were newbs just starting out.

unless you bought a 1500$ generator or have power at the field you won't be keeping up with the N-guys.

still waiting for 2 6min e-videos (only 6 min) of 3d smack
guess I can go clean my N-heli while we wait. we have lots of time for you e-guys.
Hey CX1, you ever partake in these "lifes little treasures"?
you mean smoking out the competetion lol

ps try not to gang up on 1 person
and I do own a msh protos so im not totaly against electrics
I just happen to see the short comings of e-heli's.

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05-02-2011 02:33 PM  6 years agoPost 3900
rexxigpilot

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Or is it the shortcoming of the Protos?

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