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04-30-2011 08:47 PM  6 years agoPost 3761
heli-cuzz

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Pittston, Pa. USA

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Keep the efficiency, ill take the power! And the ability to park at the side of the road and fly 3 packs in a field with my 700E and drive off 20 mins later, clean and with a big smile on my face.
I can do the same by parking roadside and do 3 flights on my nitro NOBAR90 and get 7 minutes more of flight time, and leave with a bigger smile than yours.

Fury 55 NIB Furion6 CGY750 fbl helicopter-Frenzy CGY750 fbl nitro-Frenzy fbl NOBAR90

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04-30-2011 09:33 PM  6 years agoPost 3762
Richardmid1

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[/quote]I can do the same by parking roadside and do 3 flights on my nitro NOBAR90 and get 7 minutes more of flight time, and leave with a bigger smile than yours.
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But you have to be much better prepared and carry a starter, fuel and fuel pump.

Then what if you have a hydro locked engine, Glow plugs not working, you have to make engine adjustments on the first flight, refuel, the nearby houses are getting sick of the noise, etc etc.

I have 20 mins not all day.

60% of the time, it works every time!

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04-30-2011 09:54 PM  6 years agoPost 3763
heli-cuzz

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But you have to be much better prepared and carry a starter, fuel and fuel pump.

Then what if you have a hydro locked engine, Glow plugs not working, you have to make engine adjustments on the first flight, refuel, the nearby houses are getting sick of the noise, etc etc.

I have 20 mins not all day.
I can get nitro flights on my 1/2 hour lunch break.

Fuel pump is attached to fuel jug. That's one item.
Starter... That's two items.
TX, that's three items.
Helicopter, that's 4 items total.
Hydro locked engine... No problem, simply tilt the helicopter to the exhaust side and proceed with starting. Usually never need to do that as I know my YS and OS engines quite well and very rarely ever hydro lock.
Glow plugs... That's not a problem. I can change one in less than two minutes. However, I seem not to have problems with glow plugs. It all depends on tuning skills playing the part of plug longevity. I also change them about every two gallons.
The way I see it is, if you're having troubles with nitro you can easily remedy the matter.
Now electrics on hand, if you have problems at the field, you can pretty much call it a wrap and go home.
The way I see it is I have no problem flying either one and choose to fly both.
To me there is no winner. I fly N and E helicopters so I win.

This post took more work than it does to fly either type of power system.

Fury 55 NIB Furion6 CGY750 fbl helicopter-Frenzy CGY750 fbl nitro-Frenzy fbl NOBAR90

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04-30-2011 10:19 PM  6 years agoPost 3764
DougsRC

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So me, Ken, Danny, BoB flew flight after flight whilst **** was at the picnic table attempting to start his ni***, that simply would not start Names have been disguised to protect the ill-informed

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04-30-2011 10:25 PM  6 years agoPost 3765
tadawson

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They are watts going into the motor wires and motor
You sure about that? Since an ESC pulses the three phases of the motor windings in sync with it's rotation, it is far more likely that the ESC is measuring current draw on the battery side, since that encompasses all power to all phases, and is far easier to sense. That would also imply that the logged value would include heat dumped by the ESC that did not make it to the motor . . .

As an electrical engineer, I would seriously doubt that they put current sensing on all phases, and the associated processing/measuring algorithms in the processor, since current flow reverses, etc. in the phases depending on where the motor is in it's rotation. Since this isn't "lab grade" telemetry, I would be very, very, surprised if they didn't just punt and measure voltage and current on the input . . .

- Tim

Friends don't let friends become electrotarded . . . .

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04-30-2011 10:31 PM  6 years agoPost 3766
Rogman88

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After 189 pages, I've come to one conclusion. The electric guys post more accurate information and the nitro guys post here say and conjecture... Not to mention are more prone to personal attacks. I understand, it's frustrating losing an argument. I'd do the same thing if I were losing the argument as well

That'll get em fired up...we'll be at 200 pages by tomorrow...

High Voltage just works better

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04-30-2011 10:35 PM  6 years agoPost 3767
tadawson

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I don't know about you, but as an engineer, I have yet to hear much come out of an electric guy that was not based on false assumptions, or outright violated fact and physics . . . .

"So me, XXX, YYY, ZZZ flew flight after flight whilst **** was at the picnic table attempting to find power to charge his e-turd, that simply would not run without it. He did get two flights in on the batteries he brought, but then the ESC burst into flames, resulting in a total loss of the model We just fueled, started and flew . . . Names have been disguised to protect the ill-informed "

- Tim

Friends don't let friends become electrotarded . . . .

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04-30-2011 10:52 PM  6 years agoPost 3768
Rogman88

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was at the picnic table attempting to find power to charge his e-turd,
Hey that was me!!!

High Voltage just works better

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04-30-2011 10:56 PM  6 years agoPost 3769
DougsRC

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Mass.

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"So me, XXX, YYY, ZZZ flew flight after flight whilst **** was at the picnic table attempting to find power to charge his e-turd, that simply would not run without it. He did get two flights in on the batteries he brought, but then the ESC burst into flames, resulting in a total loss of the model We just fueled, started and flew . . . Names have been disguised to protect the ill-informed "

- Tim
Did not happen.
I don't know about you, but as an engineer, I have yet to hear much come out of an electric guy that was not based on false assumptions, or outright violated fact and physics . . . .
Nice try Tim

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04-30-2011 10:56 PM  6 years agoPost 3770
Stephen Born

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Rogman88,

I love how you get things back on track. lol

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04-30-2011 10:58 PM  6 years agoPost 3771
Band1086

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it is far more likely that the ESC is measuring current draw on the battery side
OK, that's probably correct, but you can see on data logging what the temps were at any given second or so, and on my particular systems, there's not much heat, and therefore not much loss. Your an EE and you hate electrics I have to ask...why? You seem to be very bitter about them, as your sig states...

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04-30-2011 11:00 PM  6 years agoPost 3772
elkmaster01

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I've been flying elect for 2 years now and I wanted to see what the nitro fuss was all about! So I bought a 700N,engine,starter, 8 gallons of fuel,,,HV servos, VBar,,,all the bells and whistles. I have all the boxes in my garage right now.

But after reading this ENTIRE thread,,,I'm going to just wrap up all those boxes and give them away as Christmas presents. No way am I going to waste my time building a useless, no-flying, polluting, ear screeching/eye burning piece of carp nitro heli.

It is appearant that electric powered helis are the only real helis. What was I thinking!!

All you electric lovers have convinced me,,,,better go put on my man-shoes and go charge some batteries!!

Hey,,,will this nitro fuel work as a degreaser? My lawnmower has a engine leak,,,maybe I should order a Neu motor for it!!

Randy

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04-30-2011 11:10 PM  6 years agoPost 3773
DougsRC

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All you electric lovers have convinced me,,,,better go put on my man-shoes and go charge some batteries!!
Hey if you have no mind of your own then you can be easily swayed otherwise-- choose what you want to fly.

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04-30-2011 11:13 PM  6 years agoPost 3774
Richardmid1

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Pour the nitro on your grass and you wont need a lawnmower anymore!

60% of the time, it works every time!

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04-30-2011 11:19 PM  6 years agoPost 3775
DougsRC

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Pour the nitro on your grass and you wont need a lawnmower anymore!

Maybe the price of nitro will come down as fewer and fewer use it--- you know "supply and demand" type of thing

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05-01-2011 12:09 AM  6 years agoPost 3776
Wave

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Maybe the price of nitro will come down as fewer and fewer use it--- you know "supply and demand" type of thing
Actually the price will go up as the manufacturers are forced to blend smaller and smaller batches while shouldering the same overhead costs.

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05-01-2011 12:28 AM  6 years agoPost 3777
rexxigpilot

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I don't know about you, but as an engineer, I have yet to hear much come out of an electric guy that was not based on false assumptions, or outright violated fact and physics . . . .
Too funny, LMFAO!

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05-01-2011 12:30 AM  6 years agoPost 3778
rexxigpilot

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Hey elkmaster01, nice stir!

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05-01-2011 12:40 AM  6 years agoPost 3779
DougsRC

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Actually the price will go up as the manufacturers are forced to blend smaller and smaller batches while shouldering the same overhead costs.
You might be right wave Better get out now before its too late

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05-01-2011 12:53 AM  6 years agoPost 3780
rapitrex

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some like nitro some like electric , get over it, neither side will convert the other !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

fuel it < check it <> fly it > clean it

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