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04-08-2011 09:04 AM  6 years agoPost 3221
OICU812

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IMO either nitro or electric helis are "machines", not choppers and not birds either, machines they are

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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04-08-2011 12:57 PM  6 years agoPost 3222
Rogman88

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Now now Lon, temper, temper. Don't want to get banned again do ya?
Now Lon no need to send me nasty PM's then put me back on ignore.

FWIW you will always be my friend.

High Voltage just works better

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04-08-2011 01:32 PM  6 years agoPost 3223
heli-cuzz

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They both sux

Who has the carbon fiber spoon... Stir it up well!!!

Nitro sux fuel.

Electric sux electrons.

I love helicopters regardless of race, color, creed, religion, or fuel type.

Fury 55 NIB Furion6 CGY750 fbl helicopter-Frenzy CGY750 fbl nitro-Frenzy fbl NOBAR90

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04-08-2011 01:46 PM  6 years agoPost 3224
UK Helinut

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+1 It really doesn't matter what you fly as long as you enjoy yourself.

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04-08-2011 02:17 PM  6 years agoPost 3225
Rogman88

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Who has the carbon fiber spoon
I've got an extra G10 spoon if anyone needs it

It's all in fun and Jest. I hope no one on this particular thread really takes anything seriously. Most of us don't. Maybe one does, when he sends mean PM's to people...

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04-09-2011 04:31 AM  6 years agoPost 3226
BobOD

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I'll take that spoon.

The power stroke of a Nitro is about 25% of the rotation.

So, the measured output of 3.5 HP would equate to peaks in excess of 14 HP...or 10500 watts.

Have a nice day.

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04-09-2011 04:34 AM  6 years agoPost 3227
Ravenhyper50

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Ha Ha Nice one!

Raven

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04-09-2011 06:01 AM  6 years agoPost 3228
Band1086

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The E's must put out 20,000W then, because they have twice the power...at least!

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04-09-2011 07:30 AM  6 years agoPost 3229
BladeStrikes

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In split sec burst only..

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04-09-2011 10:15 AM  6 years agoPost 3230
rexxigpilot

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The power stroke of a Nitro is about 25% of the rotation.
One of the reasons it shakes the snot out of a heli. And Bob, please don't try to say 1/4 of a revolution can be considered the peak power output of a nitro engine! Particularly when you are the guy who keeps pushing average power in so many posts of this thread.

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04-09-2011 02:44 PM  6 years agoPost 3231
BobOD

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I was getting tired of the "which costs more" arguments.

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04-09-2011 02:45 PM  6 years agoPost 3232
Wingman77

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how do you figure %25?? because it is a two stroke would it not be %50?

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04-09-2011 03:19 PM  6 years agoPost 3233
Band1086

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And Bob, please don't try to say 1/4 of a revolution can be considered the peak power output of a nitro engine! Particularly when you are the guy who keeps pushing average power in so many posts of this thread.
I was getting tired of the "which costs more" arguments.
Of course that defence for the N's doesn't exist either! Poor little Nitros...

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04-09-2011 04:10 PM  6 years agoPost 3234
BobOD

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how do you figure %25?? because it is a two stroke would it not be %50?
Part of the stroke is used for intake, exhaust and compression and ignition. Actual power producing part is only about 25%.

Anyway, it simply calls into question the methods used to report electric power performance.
Until someone has the nuts to put an electric motor on a dyno so a real comparison can be made, most of the data you read about simply is not a worthy comparison.

The only decent data is to look at the energy used in a flight. This, in my mind, will always give an accurate average power used in the flight. Problem is, this doesn't give the result most e-guys "think" they are getting...so they don't like this method. Main reason is that it shows that a Nitro has significantly more energy available. Perhaps limited to impulse level it can produce...but, I say if the pilot is good enough to manage it, he'll always be able to do more with the heli that has more energy on board.

Stir stir stir.

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04-09-2011 04:22 PM  6 years agoPost 3235
Rogman88

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Since I am unbiased and provide totally objective material for the arguments

I'll say this. Some folks, particularly the castle creations guys like myself sometimes have to tweak the dang ESC through trial and error. I am in the process now of doing this

High Voltage just works better

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04-09-2011 04:22 PM  6 years agoPost 3236
Band1086

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My "dyno" is my heli, and there is a real difference...everybody agrees who has flown equal size ships. No need for numbers when there is a real dynamic difference in the air, except to satisfy someones curiosity. The E motor produces power all the way around the revolution, but the nitro engine only 1/4 per turn. Which is better tech...it's a no brainer!

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04-09-2011 06:11 PM  6 years agoPost 3237
BobOD

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Band, you apparently missed my point.

A lot of the electric guys are reporting the peaks. But the measured output of Nitros is the average of all the way around. If the Nitro was measured as the peak, you can see much higher numbers. And the only point is, one can construe a lot from incomplete information. You have to look at the whole picture...not just what suits one individual.

Whatever, if your "dyno" says you can have a more powerful 8 min flight with electric, that's cool. My "dyno" says not.

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04-09-2011 06:39 PM  6 years agoPost 3238
heliflyer7

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One word.. NO MESS!

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04-09-2011 09:45 PM  6 years agoPost 3239
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04-09-2011 09:46 PM  6 years agoPost 3240
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No mess is 2 words

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